Republican Senator Admits That He Wants To Bring America Down

Author: July 26, 2011 12:26 pm

Utah's Republican Senator Mike Lee. Image from http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45139.html

In a Monday evening interview on Hardball With Chris Matthews on MSNBC, Republican Senator Mike Lee of Utah admitted that he wants to bring America to its knees if an amendment is not passed in Congress that would force Americans to live under conservative governance despite which party the people elects. Here is the transcript.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: How many days do you think we have, on the outside, to get this debt ceiling through before we have a problem? How many days?

LEE: I don’t know, maybe ten days.????

MATTHEWS: Okay, in ten days you want to change the United States Constitution by two-thirds vote in both houses? That’s what you’re demanding.

LEE: Yes. If possible we can’t change the Constitution just in Congress but we can submit it to the states. Let the states fight it out.


MATTHEWS: And you think you’re being reasonable by saying you want a two-thirds vote in the House, which is Republican, and in the Senate which is Democrat. You want the Democratic Senate, by a two-thirds vote, to pass a constitutional amendment or you want the house to come down?

LEE: Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying and I’ve been saying this for six months.

Lee’s amendment would require all tax increases by passed by a super majority of Congress, two-thirds of each house, which makes it virtually impossible to raise taxes. This is especially of interest to the wealthy and corporations. That particular provision is similar to the anti-tax amendment passed in California which killed that state’s finances. Lee’s amendment would also require spending levels to drop to the 1966 level, which would be catastrophic to all Americans. The 1966 level was $134.4 billion, compared to $3.5 trillion in 2010. To get back to 1966 levels, Social Security and Medicare would be cut by 25% and many other programs and departments would be wiped out or watered down to the brink of uselessness, even national security. The nightmare gets worse actually. Because Lee would be writing these cuts and requirements into the Constitution, the American people would lose the power to overrule them by electing different people. In other words, even if America voted to give 100% of government control to Democrats, we would be forced to always live under conservative rule.

This invisible power that Republicans wish to write into law is a complete perversion of our Constitution and values. Add to that the fact that Republicans also want to create a supercongress, which basically is a third house in which a handful of politicians can pass legislation by an up or down vote, and what you get is a conservative tyranny legitimized by the Constitution. And Lee’s leverage is the American economy. Lee, and I assume other Republicans, are willing to bring down the American economy through catastrophic default and millions of American jobs with it, so that they can re-write the Constitution to force us to live under conservative rule. If Americans think Republicans love the Constitution and the people, they are sorely mistaken.

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  • “Mormon” Republican Senator Admits That He Wants To Bring America Down’

  • That will not happen – ending the wars. Halliburton et.al. is now too entrenched in making huge profits from these wars, and building their own private armies (Xe) to control the various world populations. Didn’t think fascism could happen here? Think again.

  • Someone better lock this creep up and eat the keys. Oh, and pad his room.

  • Unfortunately Reagan closed down all the madhouses. Now where are they just when we need them?

  • James Wilmer

    He wants to go back to 1966 of Gov. spending. Did he put in account the inflation. Back in 1966, at McDonalds you could buy a burger fries and soft drink for under a buck. Will he accept his payscale being scaled back to 1966 rate?

    • I could say the same thing and that would be just as bogus. It’s time that we stopped giving these malcontents the time of day. I believe that as a whole, Americans can see through his bullshit act and if the press stopped sticking mics in his face, we could all take the ear plugs out of our ears and tomorrow would come and his ten minutes of fame would be long gone. His type are politically inept and couldn’t pull this off even if our water supply was laced with barbiturates and we all slept for 30 days straight. We’re not a country of fools and we certainly wouldn’t let this sociopath lead us to the slaughterhouse.

  • Isn’t planning to bring down the government and taking an action to achieve that treason? With more than one involved, we also have conspiracy. Conspiracy to commit treason. Lawyers? Comments?

  • Dr. Jerry Stubben

    The Republican has become more the party of Adolph Hitler than Abraham Lincoln. I am no longer a Republican or a Democrat, for if I was I then would not be an American, for the Republican Party is now the Nazi Party and the Democratic Party is now the Communist Party. End their reign today. End them forever. Be an American.

  • For the record, I’m a Ron Paul Republican who thinks we need to bring the troops home from around the world as fast as possible. That would save us a lot of money and also provide many other benefits.

    • If we brought home all our troops from all over the world, what a wonderful world that would be, but then the Republi-Nazi’s could use all those troops against us….

    • Ron Paul wants to eliminate the minimum wage, social security. medicare, and medicaid. That alone would cause a depression much worse than that of the 1930s. Is this really what you want as well or do you just not know much about your candidate?

  • http://www.advancingafreesociety.org/2011/07/23/contrary-to-the-president-social-security-checks-are-not-at-risk/

    If the debt ceiling is not raised, we can still use the cash being collected from taxes to service existing debt. Social Security is fine, as discussed in the link above. All other government “bills” can compete for a part of the cash that is left. If there’s not enough cash left to pay for everything, then part of the government might have to shut down. That would have no effect on our credit rating, no effect on interest rates, etc.

    When you show me what’s so urgent and important today compared to 2 or 4 or 10 years ago that necessitates borrowing money to pay for it, we can discuss whether it’s good for the government to acquire new debt. Otherwise, there’s no justification for it. The debt cycle is bad for personal finances, business finances, and government finances in the long-term, even though debt can make life look pretty good in the short-term.

    Anyway, all of this is irrelevant because new debt won’t be bought by the Chinese, it will be bought by the Federal Reserve, thus leading to more inflation which is bad for everybody. So we are going to hurt every citizen of the US in the interest of not hurting a few hundred thousand people who work for the government or make money from the government…

    From http://fms.treas.gov/bulletin/index.html if you look at the Ownership of Federal Securities you can see that the holdings at the Federal Reserve are rising much faster than any other category.

  • Pamela Gross

    Raise your hand if you are not surprised. Could we at least all agree on something like this whlie we are exposing treason? http://www.change.org/petitions/govt-of-usa-heres-an-idea-raise-the-debt-ceiling

  • Hey, I’ll be a right-wing wacko and back up Senator Lee. You people need to think a little farther than 1 day ahead. We are not facing financial Armageddon, the world is not going to end, and somebody who is thinking about the picture a little bit bigger than the next 2 months is not committing treason.

    The worst-case scenario if the debt limit is not raised is a partial government shut-down. Long run, the best thing that could happen to this country might be to default on debt payments, driving interest rates higher, helping to force our whole society off the endless debt cycle.

    It’s really simple–a sustainable economy is based on savings and production. Our current unsustainable economy is based on debt and spending. When is it going to change? What’s it going to take? Welcome to reality, people. The longer you delay the inevitable, the worse the pain gets.

    Oh, and I love how Chris Matthew’s phrase “bring the house down” (whatever that means) becomes a headline about Mike Lee wanting to bring America to its knees. Maybe somebody should ask him to clarify just what outcome he desires before declaring him a traitor?

    • John Chester

      What’s it going to take?

      It’s going to take ending the 2+ wars we’re currently involved in.

      We must also end the Pentagon’s “blank check” for weapons that are: not needed in a post-cold-war era (VA Class subs) and/or are obsolete by the time they’re delivered (F-22 Raptor) and/or cost overruns for their replacements (F-35) and a fundamental change in the way the DOD sees the need to keep outposts in EVERY country we can!

      We are displaying insanity as our National priority!

      • Exactly, John. On all counts. It seems our friends in the GOP seem to believe that we can carry on a war on two fronts (now almost three, if we include Libya) AND face an economic meltdown (in part brought on by those wars) without raising tax revenues. Uh huh. I’m guessing they are all in such a bad mood because they are still miffed that the Easter Bunny missed them this year…

    • John Sawyer

      I’m not sure where you get the idea that “the worst-case scenario…is a partial government shut-down.” Nobody who knows anything about economics has suggested this as the worst-case scenario–everyone who does know, has said it would be far, far worse and far-reaching than that, possibly even a worldwide disaster.

      I’m also not sure where you get the idea that the US defaulting on its debts would be “the best thing that could happen to this country”, and that it would “help to force our whole society off the endless debt cycle”. A nation’s economy, specifically the US economy, doesn’t operate entirely according to the same rules as a family or business budget, and it’s not a bad thing necessarily that it doesn’t.

      The problems with the US economy need other solutions than those which would make the economy worse, like failing to raise the debt ceiling. If a continuously-raised debt ceiling really is a bad thing, then we need to deal with that carefully–as it is, there’s nothing in place to deal with the outcome of defaulting on our debts–it’s like saying the best way to stop a speeding car is to crash into a brick wall, even if the car doesn’t have airbags or seat belts.

  • OK, you’re leaving out one important detail – which is actually the real issue here.

    Congress cannot amend the Constitution. They. Just. Cannot. Every analysis out there has people frothing at the mouth because they don’t even understand their own damn Constitution any more than most right wing nut jobs do.

    Congress can propose an amendment, which proposal – if passed – would then have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states.

    What every analysis has been misleading people about (whether intentionally or not, that’s beyond the scope of this screed) is important. What Lee really said is that he ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT AGREE TO ANYTHING, PERIOD. He’s using the trick of saying, “well, if 2/3 of both houses will pass this amendment proposal before 8/2, then we can talk.”

    So it sounds like he’s willing to give something in exchange for something, but it is simply impossible for a supermajority vote to get through Congress before then (for the same reason that the amendment itself would if ratified effectively end new taxes… supermajorities simply do not happen).

    There’s the outrage. He’s plainly stating that he wants the US to default, but making it sound likes he’s trying to be as reasonable as a right wing nut job can be.

    • Claire Friedman

      When I read you comment I thought, “Thank God someone has a brain out there and is not just REACTING!”

    • John Chester

      You nailed it!

    • John Sawyer

      Lee does say “we can’t change the Constitution just in Congress but we can submit it to the states. Let the states fight it out.” But this too is just a smokescreen.

      I’m concerned that if such an amendment were submitted by Congress to the states, that there’s too much chance it would pass, because too many people in the US are easily hypnotized by things that are worded in a way to simply get them to believe something is good for them. And, given how drastically Republican state legislatures have managed to gut the rights of their constituents lately, it’s likely the Republican states would change their laws so that the public no longer could vote on proposed changes to the Constitution, leaving that job only to the state legislators, which of course, being Republican, would vote yes.

      • Checkerboard Strangler

        John Sawyer:

        “I’m concerned that if such an amendment were submitted by Congress to the states, that there’s too much chance it would pass”

        –Your concern is valid. These are “beer hall putsch” tactics.

    • You’re right. The right wing always tries to make it sound like they’re doing something reasonable and for the good of the country. Oh, and you’re being redundant when you “right wing nut job”.

  • Wake up and smell the crazy…..

  • Leslie Holman-Anderson

    I call for the immediate impeachment and prosecution for treason of every Republican Congressperson and Senator who continues to be willing to let our government fail rather than work with the President. It’s not just shameful — it’s CRIMINAL.

    The Republicans in Congress are not just willing to, but trying to, disable the Government. Not on principle, not for the good of the people whom they ostensibly serve, but so they can make the President look bad. If they make a complete fool of him, they reason, they can put those they actually serve, on Walls Street and behind the pulpit, in overt power.

    As I understand the Constitution and the laws of the United States, attempting to bring down the Government, especially in time of war, is called treason. Plotting together to do it is conspiracy. However much the Republicans try to wrap their actions in the flag, however much they cite the Constitution, they are traitors. It’s time we recognized them for what they actually are rather than who they claim to be.

    Leslie Holman-Anderson

    • I COULD NOT EMPHATICALLY AGREE MORE!

    • I agree. It is malfeasance and treason on a massive scale. That will be shouted down as ‘hyperbole’ by those on the Right, but it is true nonetheless. We do not put them in office for the sole purpose of jockeying for the next election cycle; we put them there to WORK, to manage our business interests for us. If you had two employees competing for a management position, and one thought he was entitled to it but got passed over, you could understand bitterness and dissatisfaction, but: how long would you let this disgruntled employee get by with not only withholding assistance from his new supervisor in order to make him look bad, but actively working to make the COMPANY fail so it would look like it happened on his watch… How long would that man still have a paycheck, if you were the boss? WE are ‘the boss.’ How long do we let this madness continue?

    • Thank you bring that to everyones attention! I could not agree with you more. I think we should oust all the Republicans out of office…they only want to bring this great nation down.

  • RaysZ28_2009

    Finally a response and common sense that I have been advocating for months on these Political terrorist! Finally someone is getting it. But what is to be done, and why hasn’t anyone arrested this guy, and this thug? Why? It is very evident that holding Americans Hostage for any form, and causing political terrorism should be dealt with. The Tea-Party this morning stated they want a revolution. Ok we give it to them and throw them all in the ocean as we did Bin Laden. But I want to organize a March on Washington (DC) for Labor Day by Millions of Americans to send the message that we have had enough of their political terrorism and they are all fired. If you cannot march on the Nation’s Capitol then March on your State’s Capitol on Labor Day. My petition is below! Copy & paste and contact your representatives and get involved. I would like to see more of this across the network and blogs. Finally Thank You!

    Let us use the turmoil around the budget impasse to solve another problem–reforming congress.

    Congressional & Senate Reform Act of 2011 It is time. If you agree, send it to 20 people, good and true. If you disagree, please delete it. Thanks.

    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simply! The people demanded it. That was in 1971…before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

    Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land…all because of public pressure.

    I’m asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn I ask each of those to do likewise.

    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional & Senate Reform Act of 2011
    Term Limits.

    12 years only, one of the possible options below..

    A. Two Six-year Senate terms

    B. Six Two-year House terms

    C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

    2. No Tenure / No Pension.

    A Congressman & Senators collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    3. Congress & Senate (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

    All funds in the Congressional & Senatorial retirement funds move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and the Congress & Senate participates with the American people.

    4. Congress & Senate can purchase their own retirement plans, just as all Americans do.

    5. Congress & Senate will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. Their current rate of Pay will be lowered by 25% effective 11//11/11.

    6.
    Congress & Senate loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people do.

    7. Congress & Senate must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen & Senators are void effective 1/1/12.
    9. Congress & Senate will pass a Balanced Budget amendment for the year 2014, and all future years. They will not leave the chambers or halls of Congress until they do so.

    The American people did not make these contracts with Congressmen. Congressmen & Senators made all these contracts for themselves
    .

    Serving in Congress & Senate is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and go back to work.

    You can also copy this contract for America and present it at Public Locations for people to sign. (Like a petition) Have future prospective Leaders sign also or agree to in public. Let’s clean up the act of these politicians in the past so that we have a future for our children. We voted these people into office not to squander our children’s future, but to improve it.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive this message. Maybe it is time.

    THIS IS HOW YOU FIX THE SENATE & CONGRESS!!!!!

    • To begin with, there are some misconceptions about people in congress. For one, they are federal employees and because of that, they are covered by the Federal Employees Retirement System and contribute part of their pay to the system. Because they are are under FERS, they contribute to Social Security both the 6.20% payroll tax and the 1.45% Medicare part. Those that were elected and have and are still in congress, were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System. For those individuals, they were (and still are) mandated to contribute 7% or their basic pay along with the 1.45% to Medicare. However, when they retire, and if they have enough qualifying quarters of paying into SS (that would mean they had other employment BEFORE they were elected), then their annuity would be reduced. Also, if any member of congress wants to contribute to the GOVERNMENT THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN, they then can contribute THEIR OWN MONEY up to 15% of their basic pay (5% if still covered under the CSRS) but again, this is their own money and they invest it into certain funds of their choosing.

      As for their health insurance, they get to pick from a pool of different plans and they have to pay premiums every pay period. For example, if Senator “A” selected Blue Cross/Blu Shield basic plan, they would pay a bit over $122 per month.

      So as you can see, a couple of the items on HOW TO FIX CONGRESS are already (and have been) in effect.

      • One correction… Those that were elected prior to 1984 and have and are still in congress, were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System. For those individuals, they were (and still are) mandated to contribute 7% or their basic pay along with the 1.45% to Medicare. However, when they retire, and if they have enough qualifying quarters of paying into SS (that would mean they had other employment BEFORE they were elected), then their annuity would be reduced.

  • ConcernedAmerican

    The entire Teapublican party is planning on the demise of the United States as we know it. They are all pushing to put our country in default and they are gunning to get legally elected, U.S. born President Barack Obama out of office BY ANY MEANS.

    The entire bunch needs to be impeached and tried for treason against the United States.

    Teapublicans have decided our active service members, our veterans, our elderly, our disabled and our children do not deserve to be able to survive.

    I’d love to take away THEIR pay until they get off their petards and do the work they were hired to do, which includes raising the debt ceiling to pay off all those debts incurred under former President George W. Bush.

  • Okay is this idiot crazy or just in need of some drugs to help him think?

  • It’s definitely treason. Throw them all in jail and start the trial, and I am not opposed to the death penalty. Request their resignation at the very least. Weiner was forced to resign for very little and these guys commit treason. What is it with Republicans that they can get away with murder while democrats are persecuted over NOTHING!

  • AmbientBuzz

    60 minutes.

    That’s my bet for how long it will take for that stupid, innane comment to reappear on rightwing websites and be used for months as “proof” that liberals are whackadoodles.

    Thanks, twit.

    Moderators, if it’s within your TOUs to remove such incendiary comments, please “kill” that one.

    • I think that a person of such obvious intelligence should be asked what he means by “stupid”, “innane”(misspelled), “whackadoodles” and “twit”.

      • AmbientBuzz

        I was referring to DaveSW’s post below. I thought by clicking the Reply in his post that my reply would appear directly below his, as your’s did with mine. Excuse the transgression. My first post here.

        Do you support DaveSW saying that the Senator should be killed and put to death? I thought it was a very irresponsible comment — the kind that gets repeated and amplified in the rightwing echo chamber.

  • MiserableOldFart

    I have no objection to actions that might technically fall under the category of “treason.” Some believe Bradley Manning is deserving of the charge. I don’t, but this horrendous POS should be tried and imprisoned. I am opposed to the death penalty, or would suggest that.

  • Robert Sanchez

    At what point do we finally say enough and call this the treason that it is. How can it NOT be treason when a congressman who takes an oath to protect and defent our constitution and our country OPENLY ADVOCATES BRINGING IT DOWN! This nut should be in chains welded into a prison cell. Not trying to destroy our country.

  • This is treason. Kill him. Kill anyone who works for the government yet wants to destroy it. There is no greater crime in the United States. Put him to death.

  • nanci little

    Insanity reigns AND treason seems to be a sign of the times!

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