102 Things NOT To Do If You Hate Taxes

Author: June 22, 2013 4:00 pm
Uncle Sam: I want YOU to pay taxes.

If you hate taxes, please stick to your ideology and stop doing all of these things. Taxes pay for dozens of things nearly everyone uses daily.

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.” ~Oliver Wendell Holmes

If you hate taxes…

So, you’re a Republican that hates taxes? Well, since you do not like taxes or government, please kindly do the following.

1. Do not use Medicare.
2. Do not use Social Security
3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars, if you hate taxes.
4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster.
5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt.
6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home.
7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home.
8. If you hate taxes, do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge.

If you hate taxes, then Medicare, Social Security, the military, the police, the fire department, public schools, and public restrooms are off-limits.

9. Do not use public restrooms.
10. Do not send your kids to public schools.
11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors.
12. Do not live in areas with clean air.
13. Do not drink clean water.
14. Do not visit National Parks.
15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments.
16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines.
17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds.
18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks, if you hate taxes, which paid for them.
19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts.
20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry.
21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job.
22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children.
23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason.
24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court.
25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants.
26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars.
27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes.
28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA.
29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service.
30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service.
31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems.
32. Do not apply for federal housing.
33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military.
34. Do not swim in clean rivers.
35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts.
36. If you hate taxes, do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster.
37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion.
38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone.
39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them.

People who hate taxes shouldn’t expect their food to be safe, their air and water to be clean, or for their cell phone and home phones to work.

40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat.
41. Do not apply for government grants to start your own business.
42. Do not apply to win a government contract.
43. Do not buy any vehicle that has been inspected by government safety agencies.
44. Do not buy any product that is protected from poisons, toxins, etc…by the Consumer Protection Agency.
45. Do not save your money in a bank that is FDIC insured.
46. Do not use Veterans benefits or military health care.
47. Do not use the G.I. Bill to go to college.
48. Do not apply for unemployment benefits.
49. Do not use any electricity from companies regulated by the Department of Energy.
50. Do not live in homes that are built to code.
51. Do not run for public office. Politicians are paid with taxpayer dollars.
52. Do not ask for help from the FBI, S.W.A.T, the bomb squad, Homeland Security, state troopers, etc.
53. Do not apply for any government job whatsoever as all state and federal employees are paid with tax dollars, if you hate taxes.
54. Do not use public libraries.
55. Do not use the US Postal Service.
56. Do not visit the National Archives.
57. Do not visit Presidential Libraries.
58. Do not use airports that are secured by the federal government.
59. Do not apply for loans from any bank that is FDIC insured.
60. Do not ask the government to help you clean up after a tornado.
61. Do not ask the Department of Agriculture to provide a subsidy to help you run your farm.
62. Do not take walks in National Forests.
63. Do not ask for taxpayer dollars for your oil company.
64. Do not ask the federal government to bail your company out during recessions.
65. Do not seek medical care from places that use federal dollars.
66. Do not use Medicaid.
67. Do not use WIC.
68. Do not use electricity generated by Hoover Dam.
69. Do not use electricity or any service provided by the Tennessee Valley Authority.

If you’re against taxes, don’t hunt or camp on federal land, don’t use electricity from the Hoover Dam, don’t drink water from public water fountains, and don’t use money printed by the US treasury.

70. Do not ask the Army Corps of Engineers to rebuild levees when they break.
71. Do not let the Coast Guard save you from drowning when your boat capsizes at sea.
72. Do not ask the government to help evacuate you when all hell breaks loose in the country you are in.
73. Do not visit historic landmarks.
74. Do not visit fisheries.
75. Do not expect to see animals that are federally protected because of the Endangered Species List.
76. Do not expect plows to clear roads of snow and ice so your kids can go to school and so you can get to work.
77. Do not hunt or camp on federal land.
78. Do not work anywhere that has a safe workplace because of government regulations.
79. Do not use public transportation.
80. Do not drink water from public water fountains.
81. Do not whine when someone copies your work and sells it as their own. Government enforces copyright laws.
82. Do not expect to own your home, car, or boat. Government organizes and keeps all titles.
83. Do not expect convicted felons to remain off the streets.
84. Do not eat in restaurants that are regulated by food quality and safety standards.
85. Do not seek help from the US Embassy if you need assistance in a foreign nation.
86. Do not apply for a passport to travel outside of the United States.
87. Do not apply for a patent when you invent something.
88. Do not adopt a child through your local, state, or federal governments.
89.Do not use elevators that have been inspected by federal or state safety regulators.

If you’re against taxes, don’t travel or move to any other developed nations, their taxes are much higher.

90. Do not use any resource that was discovered by the USGS.
91. Do not ask for energy assistance from the government.
92. Do not move to any other developed nation, because the taxes are much higher.
93. Do not go to a beach that is kept clean by the state.
94. Do not use money printed by the US Treasury.
95. If you hate taxes, do not complain when millions more illegal immigrants cross the border because there are no more border patrol agents.
96. Do not attend a state university.
97. Do not see any doctor that is licensed through the state.
98. Do not use any water from municipal water systems.
99. Do not complain when diseases and viruses, that were once fought around the globe by the US government and CDC, reach your house.
100. Do not work for any company that is required to pay its workers a livable wage, provide them sick days, vacation days, and benefits.
101. Do not expect to be able to vote on election days. Government provides voting booths, election day officials, and voting machines which are paid for with taxes.
102. Do not ride trains. The railroad was built with government financial assistance.

When it comes to taxes, we get what we pay for.

The fact is, we pay for the lifestyle we expect. Without taxes, our lifestyles would be totally different and much harder. America would be a third world country. The less we pay, the less we get in return. Americans pay less taxes today since 1958 and is ranked 32nd out of 34 of the top tax paying countries. Chile and Mexico are 33rd and 34th. The Republicans are lying when they say that we pay the highest taxes in the world and are only attacking taxes to reward corporations and the wealthy and to weaken our infrastructure and way of life. So next time you object to paying taxes or fight to abolish taxes for corporations and the wealthy, keep this quote in mind…

Originally published September 2010

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  • Weather you agree or disagree with Stephen’s article, AGAIN all he is saying is that if you do not like paying taxes and you do not want the government doing anything for you or against you and or involved with you then simply perform all 102 of these “Things NOT To Do”. And make sure that all of your family members do the same. Right Wing Extremists: “But I want to do those things that I need and that benefit me and my family.” Well that’s strange. I didn’t think those kind of folks needed ANYTHING except a lot of time every day to shower in the narcissistic waters of their false delusional self belief of how great they are and that nobody deserves anything except themselves simply because they say that is the way it should be.

  • And perhaps most importantly, don’t whine about Corporate Welfare.

  • But Republicans feeled “entitled” to all that.

  • Christopher Lee

    I strongly urge those of you who are for removing the government from most of these areas to read “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair. He provides a very accurate account of what America was like before the government introduced regulations on safety and clean water, child labor laws, minimum wage, social security, medicare, welfare etc. They didn’t do it willingly. Oh, no. They did it because the system collapsed so badly that something had to be done. Do you really want to go back to those days? Newt wants to repeal child labor laws and minimum wage. What do you REALLY think would happen if he succeeded? Read “The Grapes of Wrath” by John Steinbeck. 5c a bushel for fruit picking strike breakers. Once the strike is over, 2 1/2c a bushel – not enough to even provide food. But you can’t leave because that’s 2 1/2c more than you’d have if you left. Why do you think corporations would pay more than they absolutely need to? Why would they provide safe working conditions? Why would they care for a moment for someone who was too old or too broken to work? Even with all the controls we have today, corporations do their best to avoid meeting their obligations. Take the laws away and the game would be over. And don’t assume you’d be OK. Anyone can get sick or have an accident, even you. Then you’re out and on the downward slope with no hope of ever getting back up. I know, you don’t believe me. So I guess we’ll have to wait to see if I’m right, won’t we.

    • “The Jungle” is actually what helped change my political views. That book in combination with comparing the standard of livings between the most successful first world countries made me a socialist.

  • Rog in Miami Gardens

    Um… You’re wrong because the corporations would use foundation/charitable trust monies to take care of us if we fail to pay those hefty fines you mentioned in your comment. #sarcasm

  • Thanks for clarifying. It took an hour to read all your comments. Now I apprieciate more than before, the right wing. You didnt make your case to me I’ll keep reading.

  • Your posting is so general that it can mean many things. Please define your terms. Great country–what makes it great? Bankrupt–legal definition please. Spend–please describe fully with details. Trimming the fat–how do you trim? what is fat? Making cuts–who decides this? Too late–for what? Your post is a wishy=washy melange of hot air. Look up the definitions if you have a dictionary.

  • What an exemplar of liberal thought. I am forced to pay taxes. I don’t have a choice on taxes which fund these programs so it is completely rational to take advantage of whatever I want. If someone stole my money and paid for free hamburgers, I would eat the hamburgers even if I disagree with having my money stolen to pay for free hamburgers. Do you get it?

    You need to understand something. Most sane people understand the need to pay taxes. The problem most libertarians or libertarian leaning people is have is how taxes are used.

    Your logic can summed up as follows. You don’t like the fact that the government gives money to Pakistan? Then don’t use the roads, 911….etc… Your concept of the role of government is what is twisted. We are asking that the role of government change, not that it go away. What is the proper role of government? The defense of individual rights. The defense of the rights enumerated in the Constitution.

    If what you call a right places an obligation on another person, it can’t be called a right. The right to a big screen tv or cable is not a right because it places an obligation on someone to provide it. There is no right to enslave. The freedom of speech for instance doesn’t place an obligation on someone to provide a radio station to someone. It means, if you have the means to speak or broadcast, you can, freely.

    Stop building straw men. It is annoying. Don’t you get annoyed when you are compared to Pol Pot, another egalitarian?

    • Karl, that all sounds very intellectual, and all; but you certainly have a very narrow of the role of government. You are familiar with the Preamble, right? Remember the part where it says WHY the Constitution was written in the first place? It mentions establishing Justice, insuring domestic Tranquility, providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity. I think roads, schools, clean water, Social Security, the military and just about all the rest of the things mentioned in the article fall under one, or more, of the items in the Preamble. Perhaps you would prefer to ignore the Preamble, but it is the best indicator we have of the founders original intent.

      • Thank you Dave. You’re right about Karl. He tries to articulate a sound thought, but it just doesn’t quite make it. The author isn’t arguing that you can’t disagree on how they are spent, but the Republicans have made it clear they don’t want their rich friends and corporations to pay any of the bills for civilization, and that is where we have the problem.

        And there are people, who, rather than have an intelligent discussion with their representatives about how the money is spent wants to condemn everything the “government” does, and wants to not pay any taxes to support those things we do together.

        • MJV in Wisconsin

          BJohnM,

          You seem a bit confused about what Republicans do and don’t want. You state “Republicans have made it clear they don’t want their rich friends and corporations to pay any of the bills for civilization” Unfortunately, as with most people who think they “know” what someone else wants or doesn’t want, you are wrong.

          Republicans have no trouble with rich people and corporations paying some of the bills for civilization, unlike liberals, we don’t want them paying ALL of the bills for civilization. You see, we understand that the “rich people and corporations” are who support the economy of not only the U.S., but the world and that when the people who support the economy don’t have money to spend on things like factories, and raw materials, that the economy collapses, and when the economy collapses, so does civilization.

          So to all of you “Occupy” backers out there, how about you do your part, get a job and pay your taxes and become a contributing member of our civilization instead of a drain, or STFU.

          • Get a job! The typical right-wing mantra! Wait til your job disappears, then your house, then your marriage.

            These mega-rich steal millions from their stock holders through their cozy directors’ cartels – they’re all on each others’ boards, so give megapay and stock options as a round-robin exercise. But they claim to be “job creators”.

            In the last 30 years, the average CEO remuneration has gone from 43 times the average pay packet in their companies, to 342 times!! That’s 300 jobs, on average, stolen by each CEO to fill up his bank account. “Job Stealers” more like.

            If people can’t get jobs, it’s because the megarich have stolen them.

            • –Get a job! The typical right-wing mantra!–
              It’s usually enough. And it’s considerably better than:

              –These mega-rich steal millions from their stock holders through their cozy directors’ cartels – they’re all on each others’ boards, so give megapay and stock options as a round-robin exercise.–
              The typical Left-wing mantra, which is nothing but hateful raving slander.

              –That’s 300 jobs, on average, stolen by each CEO to fill up his bank account. “Job Stealers” more like.–
              Karl Marx was the first one to enumerate the concept that profit is stolen from the worker. This is a stupid concept, and you’d think after 100 million people dead anybody of any common sense would be willing to keep that idiocy buried.

              • I don’t want to say too much on this but I’m sick to death of people saying to those without jobs to “just get one.” If only it were that simple. I have a great education, an M.A. degree, and plenty of reputable experience in my field. I have been applying for jobs almost literally non-stop since March with very little to no luck. I am so incredibly fortunate that I have a family who is willing to help me through this time and get me by but that is the only reason I am surviving. I am doing every thing in my power to get a job from networking, attending events, writing inquiries, applying, going to offices, etc. and have yet to see a positive outcome from my efforts. So to those telling me to get a job…I would love to! I beg of you hire me! Will you? Will the Republicans who created the mess resulting in this unemployment rate? No, I didn’t think so….maybe I’m wrong but I have yet to see any evidence that will prove it.

              • Yawn! Socialism = Pal Pot/Stalin = 100 Million dead Right-Wing Mantra.

                All those Billionaires’s used your taxes to make their Wealth whether through the Roads their Parents drove them to Schools to the Schools themselves.

                You lot always run to Karl Marx like it’s a legitimate Counter Argument.
                Anyone with the Brain of a Peanut can see through the Mantra.

                All those Perks like Social Security, Clean Air, Heath and Safety at the Workplace weren’t down to the Kindness of Corporations and the Government, it was down to the Socialist Worker forming a Socialist invented Union fighting for better Workers rights.

                Corporations want rid of those rights because they have Billions and they’re not satisfied.

          • Odd, your mentioning Occupy backers and jobs…most of us have jobs, even those of us who have spent our productive years working and paying taxes, without complaint by the way, and should be enjoying the ‘fruits of our labors’, are working.

            We work at thing others won’t work at, we volunteer to aid the homeless, we feed thousands daily, we go through our own clothing and seek out clothing from others to enable those with less to have better than before.

            Some of us create small businesses, very small businesses because our funding is small, yet we teach others to manage these businesses, and meet with all the regulations, and turn those businesses over to our employees (usually one or two part time helpers).

            We do things that you could never imagine. We ARE the economy, both domestically and internationally.

            We will NOT STFU, we live in a country where our voices are as important as any other voice and we WILL BE HEARD.

  • Oh man, where do I begin? The premise of this article is so flawed and so full of holes it’s hard to choose. Government steals money from us via taxation and declares for itself a legal and moral monopoly on the use of violence to “solve” social problems. It’s not our fault that government has monopoly control over things like roads, water, garbage, and other services. But they do have a monopoly and we have to use these things in order to survive. Telling people that are anti-tax (aka anti-stealing) not to use government services is essentially telling them to crawl in a hole and die. How “liberal” and compassionate! Nice job blaming the victim.

    • You scare me, Jeremy. Who do you think should have the right to use violence to solve social problems? I certainly don’t always agree with the decisions the government makes, but I’m more comfortable than I would be if it was left to individuals or groups to decide when and where violence is appropriate. As for your resentment over financing services that you feel you have no choice but to use: if we didn’t have taxes paying for these things, we wouldn’t have them, right? Then what would you do? People survived for generations without these goodies. Man up, Jeremy. Move to the mountains; live off the land. That’s what you’d be doing if it weren’t for taxes providing all those things you now think you couldn’t survive without.

  • If you’ve never benefited from anything listed above, you have every right to gripe. Federal taxes are not too high (believe me, I live in New York where state taxes ARE too high). We all have things we don’t want to have to pay for, but we live in a nation with lots of people and lots of ideas and we each can’t always get our way. “It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others.” — John Andrew Holmes. So shut up, pay the damn bill, and appreciate not having to go out and beg in he street the day after you lose your job and that your kids can still go to school no matter how broke you are.

    • THINK, this great country of ours is going bankrupt,and the Dem’s know nothing to do but spend. We have to begin trimming the fat. There’s plenty of places to trim, we just need to find them and start making cuts before its too late.

      • Fat to one person is muscle to someone else.

      • Gary, we all need to think, including you. Spending is not the only thing the Dems know to do. They have also suggested increasing revenue; the GOP is dead set against it unless the money comes from an ever-shrinking middle class.

      • At least the Democrats generally prefer to pay for their spending through taxation rather than spend without taxation like Republicans generally do.

        Oh, and the best method of getting out of the deficit IS to short-term deficit spend and raise taxes (or just cut out the loopholes). Cutting social programs will stagnate the economy (that whole demand thing) and the resulting dwindling of federal tax revenues will decrease whatever deficit pay-downs were projected.

  • Half of the items on this list government should not even be involved with. Granted I am not a rich man, but when 46% do not even pay any federal taxes at all because of entitlements?? When everyone starts paying, I will be a little more for the rich paying their “fair share”. Right now the top .2% pay 22% of all of the federal taxes! DISCLAIMER: I am not a Dem or Republican or even a Tea Party Member, I think for myself and use common sense! If you open your mind a little and get off your party lines, something could actually get done (And no, Obama does not want to play nice with everyone)! The problems in American have been around for decades and have been contributed to by both parties! While I might not completely agree with the Tea Party, I am glad they are stirring the pot a little. I don’t know about you, but when it comes to elections, we have had to vote for what we believe to be the lesser of the two evils, not for someone we actually think is going to make a difference. We might be free in America, but we are under a two party rule!

  • If this applies to Republican Taxpayer…it should apply to all those Dumacrat NON-Taxpayers….It’s Only those who DON’t Pay taxes that really love them…H

    • i know plenty of republicans that don’t pay taxes..

    • You are so very wrong about that, Harv. I am a Liberal- i wouldn’t go so far as to call myself a Dumocrat, as you so cleverly put it. I am lower middle class. I work long hours to feed my family and keep a roof over their heads. I understand the concept and appreciate the benefits of taxation. I’m putting my eggs in Oliver Wendell Holmes’ basket on this one. I don’t want to live in a third world wasteland run by a fat, uncaring oligarchy. I like the relative equality of the citizenry that noble, dedicated people like the founders struggled to create. I’m proud of it. It’s what makes America what it is- not the extra hamburgers or cars or computers or whatever it is you’d rather do with your tax money.

  • Don’t enjoy any HOLIDAY, provided by UNIONS and the government!

  • Deal. And in return, you only have to stop stealing my money. Thanks, lemme know when it takes effect.

  • The idea of this list and most of the comments are ignorant. The “TEA” stands for “taxed-enough-already”, it doesn’t stand for no taxes.

    For those of you who are such big fans of taxes, how many of actually pay extra? There’s no reason you can’t contribute more to the federal bureacracy that you love so much. That’s what I thought. When one of you freeloader comes close to my charitable donations, or what I pay in taxes, I’ll eat my hat.

    • I have a friend that once told me that he was happy he had to pay higher taxes than the year before because it meant he made more money.

    • As far as I can tell the Tea Party started about the day Obama was inaugurated, since that day your taxes have gone down several times and is now at the lowest point in several generations, so why form a group called “Taxed Enough Already” at a time when you taxes are being lowered?

    • Wow, John, why haven’t we heard of you? Announcing John, the richest and most benevolent man in America! All bow down!

    • Spoken like a selfish tea bagger. There are a lot of hard working people who pay their taxes knowing that the pros far out weigh the cons. Unbelievable selfishness and greed.

    • That particular statement from the right-wingers shows how stupid they are on the subject. Taxes are a common pool from which we fund what we need for society. I may well agree to *everyone* getting taxed a hundred dollars to create a fund for education. That doesn’t mean that if they DON’T have such a fund, I’m just going to send them a hundred dollars. That would be idiocy, and would do no good at all. That fact that you don’t grasp that demonstrates that you don’t even get the CONCEPT of taxation.

    • Spoken like an illiterate person who didn’t get a decent public education. When John learns proper grammar, I’ll watch him eat his hat!

      Here’s the link to help pay off the debt if you choose: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtFinance

      • T.E. said “Spoken like an illiterate person who didn’t get a decent public education.”

        I’m paying more and more each year in property taxes which fund our schools, yet our kids reading scores just hit an all time low:

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-america-now-dumb-bag-hammers

        Public education is failing because of the greedy teacher unions who really don’t give a damn about teaching kids. To them, it’s all about protecting their jobs and lining their pockets.

        • Yeah, those greedy teachers who spend countless hours grading. Those greedy teacher who spend personal time calling parents. Those greedy teachers who continue to demand students LEARN, despite a sub-culture of people who demonize teachers. Those greedy teachers who take care of other people’s children. Those greedy teachers who fix owies, mend broken hearts, and counsel children through tough times. Those greedy teachers who teach manners, respect, math, science, life-skills, technology, and reading. Those greedy teachers who often use their own money for classroom supplies. You know not what you speak of “bubbles”.

        • Oh & “line their pockets” with $40,000 per year! That is the average public school teacher pay in the United States. Those greedy bastards!

        • Oh & they “line their pockets” with an average of $40,000 per year! Those greedy teachers!

        • The teacher’s unions are not the same as the teachers. I agree with bubbles, the goals of the teachers unions are not to educate children, they are about getting as much as they can for as little as they can. The teacher unions, as they are right now, are part of the problem, with no easy solution.

          As for teacher pay, benefits, &c., different issue, maybe more complicated. I know a lot of teachers who are fantastic, and work very hard, and are grossly underpaid. I know a lot teachers who are lazy, incompetent, and shouldn’t even have jobs in the field.

          It’s a complicated issue, and it’s probably impossible to create reasonable and useful generalizations.

        • Property taxes are a local issue, cities and counties assess ‘fair market value’ for properties.

          If you have an issue with local government, then I suggest you take it up with local government.

  • I work in a government office. I deal with the anti-tax people on a regular basis. They call to request free copies of the constitution for their anti-tax rallies. They call my boss to demand he fire me if I ask them to pay for the shipping. Can you smell the irony in this?

  • taxes are theft

    The pro-tax crowd seems to be confusing services provided by a government entity with actionable powers of government. Most everything on this list is a service that could and should be provided by a non-governmental organization which freely trades its services for earned wealth. Strip away all that and the powers remaining to be funded are a nit you could pay for with a donation from Warren Buffet (since he’s so keep on funding government).

    • This argument is really so naive it’s pitiful. So, if we privatize something like, say, the interstate system – then by your logic, that system will improve because it can now compete with freely traded services. Don’t like that interstate? Use a different one, that’s cheaper and has better service. Ohhhkay.

      Lets pick a different one. Medicare Medicare is paid for by the federal government, and is funded via taxes. If it were privatized, then the payments folks have been making into medicare for their entire working lives would naturally be able to be freely traded, right? And it would have to turn a profit, otherwise no private entity would want to run it. So when we’re 18 do we shop around for the best ‘medicare provider’, and tough noogies if that provider goes belly up due to bad financial decisions?

      The point of having the federal government run a program is to preserve it’s stability and not have it suffer at the whims of the marketplace or private enterprise. It’s not there to make a profit, it’s there to provide a needed service to the people of the republic.

      The goal of government is to help people enjoy the benefits of their country – it provides an environment where money and enteprise can thrive, but also provides a safe place for everyone else. You know, those consumers, workers, and general citizens that buy those products the enterprises are creating. Help them, you help the businesses. Undermine them, the businesses fail.

      I’d really like to drive most of the tea partiers back to economics 101. You can’t run a country like your daddy’s bank or the little corner store. There are 312 million americans. Wouldn’t it be nice to help some of those who need it?

      • Eidolon…

        Yes Econ 101 Macro Micro Money & Banking Price Theory..Good letter . I really how many of these classes any of the Repub candidates tookk any of these classes. How do private businesses survive w/o out any money flow in the market place? How many addresses out in the hinterlands would have mail service? Government makes the markets stable,,with some socialism and regulated capitalism.

  • The Platzner Post

    Greats points, and Congradulations!!!

  • Somewhere between a stalking horse and a straw man lie 102 things not to do if you hate taxes. I think this list makes the tea party argument better that the tea party folks ever could.

    • WTF are you even talking about?

      Yeah: Let’s take the Tea Party’s advice and privatize everything. I’ll run down a few very high probabilities:

      1. You want to send a letter to your relative in the next State? OK. The cheapest courier service will charge $5 per envelope and you have to wait for it to be shipped until there’s enough bulk for the company to justify the fuel to truck it over. You’ll also have to pay interstate tariffs for crossing State borders. And that’s assuming use of the roads is free, which you’ll see in the next point …

      2. You want to drive … anywhere. OK, fine. When you want to leave your neighborhood, you owe money at the gate to pay the landlord for the roads there. Then another on the local road, and another on the highway, and an exorbitant amount to use the freeway. It’s because the owners of the roads expect their millions on top of any maintenance they ever feel like paying, but the problem is that maintenance cuts into profits. So good luck trying to drive 70 on crumbling concrete with patches of of asphalt, peppered with gravel every so often.

      But you really don’t have to worry about any of that. Since regulation and workers’ rights are completely out of the window …

      3. You work 85 hours per week, and at $2/hour, you’re glad you could afford your pint of rough Monsanto corn meal or soy dust for your family this week. Especially since your home costs the rest of yours and your spouse’s (mandated the opposite genetic gender, by the Tea Party’s “small” government) pay. It’s just too bad that the only way to eat the corn meal or soy dust is to soak it in what rain water you captured, because you can’t afford utilities. Sucks your kids died from insanitary conditions. But that has an upside:

      4. Your now dead kids’ schooling would cost you $25,000 … per kid. And that’s at the cheapest, closest place. Unfortunately, most kids who ‘graduate’ from that program don’t know how to read ‘real good’ and their Science class consists solely of Biblical passages. Sex education consists of more Biblical passages. But hey, Pastor needs his profits and the teachers need their Monsanto gruel, so you gotsa pay what you gotsta pay.

      But everything could be worse. You could own a car, and have to pay for fuel. But the economy must be doing well: Petroleum executives are celebrating another record year of profits. Gas is now $9/gallon, but you don’t have to pay for that. Nah, you just have to put in a couple all-nighters every month to pay for your bus service.

      However, life is good. You get to go home after work, maybe even have some gruel to sup, and see your spouse before you nod off for your four hours’ sleep.

      Most people are glad they die young.

      • Ha ha. Very well put. Truly, that is the vision for America our leaders are pursuing right now; the American dream – working 14 hours a day in a sweatshop because it beats starving to death.

      • You are grossly confusing excise taxes with mandates. Unfortunately, because of this your argument looses all merit. Cordially,

        • Thad, your rebuttal “looses” all credibility when you don’t use proper grammar. Maybe you used the aforementioned school system in the dystopia “Nobody” was talking about.

          • And you “loose” “all credibility” when you confuse spelling with “proper grammar”.

            Typical libtard idiot.

            • Pssst. By not combining the component parts of words correctly (you know, letters), you are also not using grammar correctly.

              Not only is spelling a part of grammar but so is using the incorrect word, you can choose which one the poster screwed up on, but the point remains they screwed up their grammar.

              • The point ALSO remains that you’re attacking an opponent’s grammar in a stunning display that you can’t deal with a fairly simple argument.

      • There is no way gas would be $9, in fact, most things would become cheaper. Do you not understand how much the government collects in taxes due to regulations? They do what the mafia does, they skim off the top, forcing the business to raise prices HIGHER!!!!

        Plus, can you find me 1 example of a legitimate politician who wants to “privatize everything”? I’ll buy you free healthcare if you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Amen! Thank you for posting this. I will certainly spread the word on my Facebook page.

      • This response is absolutely laughable!

        • That response is laughable? Why? Because someone uses social media to connect to others and share information? You are the one who is laughable, for rejecting modern ingenuity.

      • That makes for a very lovely scare story, Nobody, but all you’ve really proven is that you have no interest in the facts involved.

      • CharlesClarkson

        1. The American Letter Company is the only private mail service to have effectively competed with the US government postal service when it was still legal to do so. Initially it offered 5 cents stamps to the USPO 12 cent stamps (for the same mail service in several US cities). When the USPO lowered it rates to 3 cents stamps, The American Letter Company lowered its rates to beat those. After several losses in court and several years, the US Congress finally passed a law outlawing the cheaper competing service. (Yes. Congress outlawed the CHEAPER service!)

        It is very likely that true private mail service would be cheaper than it is today as a quasi governemnt operated post office.

        “Tariffs for crossing State borders” violates Section 9 to the U.S. Constitution which would still exist after government services were privatized.

        2. Why did you move to an area where road use was so expensive and lacked even basic road maintenance? Wait. Let me guess. The real estate prices were dirt cheap. Now you know why.

        3. Please explain why the substitution of private services for government services raises the price of every one of these services and that of apparently everything else except the price of labor, which somehow falls below minimum wage law levels. What happened to minimum wage laws?

        “Since regulation and workers’ rights are completely out of the window …”

        How did privatizing government services end all labor laws?

        4. I grew up in a suburb of New Orleans. I went to a private grade school and a private high school. Today, De la Salle High School has annual tuition and fees of about $8,500. According to education.com, East Jefferson High School (where I would have gone to school) spends about $11,434 per pupil (I could not determine if that incuded NCLB funding). How does ending public education triple private school tuition?

  • While I agree with this list, it should also be noted that an overwhelming portion of your taxes go to fund things like illegal wars, and a shrinking percentage actually fund the things mentioned in this list. I would be far more happy to pay taxes if my money helped other Americans, and wasn’t feeding a growing war machine and military industrial complex.

  • I would add that the deadbeat millionaire corporate tax evaders should pay up ~ rather than require the vanishing working middle class- like teachers – pay for all of these “public” services.
    Hey, did you see Rick Perry’s academic transcripts from Texas A&M college? He is “Bush Lite” ~ not exactly a scholar- or leadership material.
    Musta spend too much time praying and not studying.

    • I was happy to note that Rick Perry allowed his transcrits to be shown, not like Obama who has had his hidden and refuses to show them. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO HIDE?
      Remember when Kerry & Gore refused to allow their grades to be seen? They had worse grades than Bush. Do your homework. Gore flunked out of Divinity School.

  • Add to the list: Do not go to a doctor who’s parents did not completely pay to educate from an income source that did not benefit from a government subsidy or tax break of any kind and only went to schools that were completely privately funded.

  • What SIMPLISTIC nonsense!

    • One Man Roaring

      Please explain…why is this simplistic nonsense? Statements are OK, but I like facts!

      • I hate the anti-tax-increase Republicans as much as anyone else, but this is beating a straw man. Like it was said, it’s simplistic nonsense. Republicans don’t “hate” taxes, they just want the government to scale back their operations to survive within the current revenue pool. It’s not that they want to eliminate taxes entirely, they just don’t want to increase them.

        • i’m sorry that you still believe Fox News. i live in Michelle Bachman’s district. the name “tea party” is just a euphemism for anarchist. i’ve had discussions with “my” elected rep’s (all tea party-ers), read all of Bachman’s web page. if they didn’t want to raise taxes(on the middle class), then why do they create deficits by giving breaks to the rich?

          • Anarchists oppose both the state and capitalism in their entirety. Teabaggers have nothing to do with anarchism except that they happen to resemble the negative propaganda that is routinely spouted by its opponents.

    • No. “simplistic nonsense” is phrases such as “the rich create jobs.” Jobs are a response to demand. Demand is created, almost entirely, by a vibrant middle class. The middle class was created by the GI bill…government. Try again.

  • I would also add

    “Do not breathe any air, plant in or build on soil, or drink any water approved by the EPA.

    Just another useless government agency the Tea Party wants to eliminate.

    • Congrats on missing the point and announcing your scorn for science and the planet at the same time. You’re truly a great American. May the runoff of a thousand factories bless your drinking water.

  • This is typical liberal thinking- “none of these would exist without the government.”

    Well, small minded liberal, I guarantee you if the government weren’t around all of our parks, streets, social security, and every other aspect of our life would be infinitely better.

    • Please explain how that works… Frankly, before the government started doing these things, NOT ONE of them even existed :P

      If they become privatized, whatever isn’t necessary for industry will go away. The rest will be run for-profit. Enjoy your history lesson, fool.

      • tyler briscoe

        The government exists only because the people say so. The government only takes, it produces nothing…

        • Ruth Replogle

          Produces nothing? How about an educated populous, clean water, air, medical research, epidemiological services, banking safety, the court system, public parks, the interstate highway system, airline safety, Safe pharmaceuticals, safe food, emergency help for communities that have experienced disasters, assurance that people won’t starve to death, regulations that used to keep banksters from ripping off the average person….

          • Seriously, don’t waste your time on these fools. By answering their positions you only foster the illusion that those positions are worth answering. Tell him to shut up, and go on about your business like an adult. We may all be doomed, but there’s no reason we can’t die with dignity. :(

        • No. Simplistic nonsense is phrases like “Rich people create jobs”

        • According to Benjamin Franklin private property is a creation of government. Government “produces nothing”? That is a statement you will need to explain to the founders of this nation.

        • You really don’t understand how much business depends on government enforcement, do you? Contracts would be worthless … MONEY would be worthless. So, where would you be then?

    • Average American

      You’re joking, right bumgahdna? By your logic, without government potholes on my street would fill themselves? Or perhaps by some generous person passing by? Actually, now that I think of it, the road wouldn’t exist without government. Going to have to move to another country with your anarchist tendencies. The government is the people’s house. You hate government, then you hate America. Love it or leave it, traitor.

    • I love when right-wingers say things like “small minded liberal” when their basis for opposing most government action (e.g. the Obama health care bill) is that since they don’t understand it, it must not be necessary. The “real America” is apparently Bumblescum Alabama, not New York or San Francisco.

      It is really ridiculous when you say things like “social security would be better without the government.” Truly “large minded” of you. And I’m sure Chevron and Wal-Mart are itching to build parks and roads for us, and I’m sure you would voluntarily pay for them (even though you carp about taxes).

    • [[Well, small minded liberal, I guarantee you if the government weren’t around all of our parks, streets, social security, and every other aspect of our life would be infinitely better.]]

      Except that is WASN’T. Before Teddy Roosevelt, those things WEREN’T better. In fact, it was HORRIBLE.

      It was a riot of individualistic materialism, under which complete freedom for the individual turned out in practice to meet perfect freedom for the strong to wrong the weak.” – Teddy Roosevelt

      Holy crap, you people are so radical, you want to undo the 20th Century – which was so successful that it is called “The American Century.” Why the hell would you want to do that? Have you been brainwashed or something?

  • Gene K. Edlin

    I’d agree with all of that except that we in the grammar police would probably insist that third-world, when used as an adjective, must be hyphenated.

  • Damn, one of my right wing debaters got me on this one. He said, “This is a great list! Now which items of the list has the GOP eliminated?” I had to say I don’t know. Ugh.

  • Dan Bradford

    What are those small boxes in the upper right corner of each comment?

  • Dan Bradford

    What are those little designs in the upper right corner of each comment?

  • Dan Bradford

    This article is deceitful, at the very best. Republicans do not hate taxes or the many necessary government services paid for by taxes. Republicans don’t hate anything about this nation. Republicans simply believe that, beyond these necessary functions, government works best when it is kept at a minimum. They also believe that, other than to pay for these necessary functions, our money is best left in the hands of the citizens to spend and invest as they see fit.

    • You’re kidding, right? “Republicans don’t hate taxes”??? All you guys do is complain about being “taxed enough already”, despite paying the lowest taxes in 50 YEARS.

      I’d like to know what you consider to be ‘necessary functions’, because it takes a ton of money to run this country, fella. If you want to live in the greatest nation on earth, you have to pay to play, and pay up. We need revenue right now, we are running this country into the ground, because we cannot afford to pay the Chinese 74 million a day in interest.

      It is expensive to run this country!

      • REasonable taxes are expected and no one that I know objects to paying them. UNREASONABLE TAXES, however, are another issue. I presume you feel that death taxes are OK…..your parents/uncle/YOU manage to save $$$ during your life to pass down to your children/charities, etc. Somehow, I can’t see that the government has any right to put its hand into a pocket to extract $$ because the owner has passed on. Remember, taxes were already paid on the money when it was earned. As well, if one is adept at investing his money (on some of which he has paid taxes already), why should he have to pay again when he wants the use of the money (he’s going to have to pay taxes when he spends it, too, remember). This is just one of the ONEROUS tax scenarios. I’ll pay my fair share to keep this nation free and safe and to keep her beautiful. I’ll pay my fair share to see that infants and the elderly are cared for/fed/housed. I do NOT feel I need to contribute anything to the many who willingly sit on their duffs and wait for my tax dollars to feed and clothe them. I have enough DIRECT connection through charity work to know that there are MANY among us that do just that. I also know that there are government agencies that ENCOURAGE those ‘on the dole’ to keep themselves right where they are. Liberals tend to think they have the corner on ‘compassion,’ when in fact they have the corner on enabling users. I contend that if you want to PERSONALLY contribute more than your fair share to keep the users ‘hooked up,’ go ahead I prefer seeing my taxes used to keep this nation great and strong. By the way, although it would take way too much time, there could be an argument for many of those items on ‘the list.’ Just one, for instance…….sidewalks! I live in a semi-rural community. For YEARS, residents have been able to walk even the busiest streets safely WITHOUT sidewalks. Alas, we’ve been invaded by city-dwellers used to ‘comforts.’ So, our small town taxes increased so that we could provide unnecessary sidewalks. This is one small example of UNNECESSARY taxation.
        Don’t get me started on how MY/YOUR taxes are spent teaching prostitutes in foreign countries how to engage in their business SAFELY!

        • “Death Taxes” are only applied on assets greater then $5 million. This is what happens when the uneducated repeat the mantra of the Republicans. They prove that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Either you honestly believe that your inheritance will be taxed, no matter how small, or you are defending the oppressed multi-millionaire. I wonder which it is in your case.

          • not true, my mother died last year, her estate didn’t break $20k and there were taxes to be paid.

            • Not sure what taxes you found to pay, but they were not inheritance taxes as they have never applied to the small estates.
              Note also for large estates – if inheritance taxes were not paid, then capital gains taxes would be due on the difference of the cost of all the assets and the current value. All estates get their cost basis readjusted to current prices and only those with over $5 million total will have any inheritance tax.

            • She probably just owed taxes when she passed. That was certainly not the estate tax (or as you like it, the “dead tax”). Try another boogeyman please.

  • Number 55 is wrong. The U.S. Postal Service does not receive federal tax money. It is a private organization that runs completely on what is bought/sold at its branches. It is affiliated with the government only when the government sees fits, otherwise, it really doesn’t have much to do with the the government.

    • Johnathan Lemons

      Not so fast…The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the “Postal Service Fund.” These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies.

      • The government buying postage for “postage paid by addressee” items or buying address lists does NOT constitute “taxpayer support for the US Postal Service”.

        It’s the government paying for what it uses – just like we do.

    • The US Postal Service does not receive any federal funding. They are completely self-supporting. All of their funding comes from fees collected for postage and the other services they offer.

      However, the Republican Congress under GWB made a law that allowed them to take away the USPS’ savings, under the guise of requiring them to “pre-fund” all retiree and retiree medical benefits at at rate Congress determined – which so far has resulted in the USPS having to *overpay* into the fund to the tune of *$6.9 Billion*. Note that NO other agency or company in the US is required to “pre-fund” anything. They did it to the USPS because the USPS had lots of cash savings on hand – and the Republican Congress wanted (needed) that cash under their control.

      So when you see that the USPS is “in the red”, know that it’s because under GWB, their savings were, well, basically stolen from them. The Republican House is still refusing to change the “savings” formula which is extremely inaccurate, AND they refuse to return the $6.9 Billion the USPS was required to overpay into the system.

      Lashe

  • this author is missing ONE important FACT, IT’s not the govt’s money to begin with its the peoples money. This author is really messed up oil companies do NOT GET money from the federal govt, they get what is called tax credits towards the facilities that they build to refine or drill for the oil, and its the same tax credits any home owner would get. boy this author really needs to learn more than he pretends to know

  • Vortex of Freedom

    If I agree, does this mean I no longer have to pay taxes?

  • Those forced into a system, have every right to abuse it and logically they should abuse it to every possible length that maximizes their own potential when said system crashes.

  • internet created by the military??? where do these people get their information….totally ignoring this article b/c it’s just plain inaccurate as well as stupid.

    • LADY YOU ARE WRONG!

      In October 1962, Licklider was hired by Jack Ruina as Director of the newly established Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO) within DARPA, with a mandate to interconnect the United States Department of Defense’s main computers at Cheyenne Mountain, the Pentagon, and SAC HQ.

      • The networks based on the ARPANET were government funded and therefore restricted to noncommercial uses such as research; unrelated commercial use was strictly forbidden. This initially restricted connections to military sites and universities. During the 1980s, the connections expanded to more educational institutions, and even to a growing number of companies such as Digital Equipment Corporation and Hewlett-Packard, which were participating in research projects or providing services to those who were.

        Several other branches of the U.S. government, the National Aeronautics and Space Agency (NASA), the National Science Foundation (NSF), and the Department of Energy (DOE) became heavily involved in Internet research and started development of a successor to ARPANET. In the mid 1980s, all three of these branches developed the first Wide Area Networks based on TCP/IP. NASA developed the NASA Science Network, NSF developed CSNET and DOE evolved the Energy Sciences Network or ESNet.

    • Um, yep, the internet was created by the US Department of Defense. http://www.enotes.com/history-fact-finder/science-invention/why-was-internet-created

    • Arpanet was totally built by the military, it is the basis for the internet. Where do YOU get your information?

    • Um, yeah, you’re stupid.

  • Taxes are a necessary evil, plain and simple, but that doesn’t mean that taxes in this country are fair, not by a long shot, and that’s where the real problem is.

    I probably write a small book if I were to go through the entire US tax code, picking apart everything that’s wrong with it, but I’ll just rant for a minute about my biggest issues with it.

    1. Taxes are designed to influence your behavior. Anyone who’s a smoker, such as myself, has experienced this, whether they realize it or not. In NYC, taxes bring the price of my favorite brand of smokes up to over $12 a pack. The same applies to alcoholic drinks, and even to soda with all of these proposed soda taxes that have pissed so many people off lately. The same applies in reverse as well, with tax laws on the books that try to persuade you to get married, or buy your own house, or save for retirement. And while some people may see these as good things, they’re not. The government has no goddamn business to tell me, or anyone else what to do, and they shouldn’t have the right to make me pay more in taxes than others just because I like the occasional stoge.

    2. Most tax laws aren’t influenced by whats best for the people, they’re influenced by whats best for industry. Being written by congressmen, tax laws are primarily influenced by lobbyists. And when a particular industry sends one to capitol hill about the taxes they pay, they’ll sit down with a congressman and explain to him “Well we’ve been looking over the tax code, and we found something here that doesn’t seem fair to us.” So if he can then convince congress that there is something in the tax code that really is “unfair” to their industry, the Committee on Ways and Means will amend the tax code. The problem with this is that when you go out of your way to make something fair for a single small group, you make it unfair for everybody else. And just to clarify here, when I say fair, I don’t really mean fair. What that really means is that industry has found a loophole so they don’t have to pay as much as before.

    3. The tax system is unnecessarily, and intentionally complicated for the purposes of misdirection. The government doesn’t want you to think you’re paying as much in taxes as you really are, and more importantly, they don’t want you to know how much your neighbor is paying. And this ties into the issue of fairness in the tax system. If it’s hard for you to understand our tax system, it also makes it harder to realize what about it is unfair. ‘Nuff said there.

    And finally, a real life example of how horrible our tax system really is; Everyone knows (or should know) who Al Capone was. Everyone knew he was guilty of racketeering, extortion, murder, etc, but the government couldn’t put him away for it. He was too good at doing what he did for them to get a conviction. Instead, the Justice Department turned him over to the IRS, and he went to prison for tax evasion. Most people see this as a clever play by our government. I see it as an abuse of power. Are you really proud to live in a country that can fall back on the income tax code when they can’t honestly convict someone of a real crime? Are you that sure of the accuracy of your taxes, that you don’t think they can use the same abuse of power on you? Remember, you pay into that system, not by choice, but by law. Think about that.

    • Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • I have to say that I *am* happy to have a country that can catch criminals at tax evasion. It might seem sneaky that way, but it’s still a crime. You say it’s not a “real crime,” but not paying taxes, especially federal taxes, punishes each and every one of us. That to me, on a utilitarian level, seems pretty serious.

      • 53% of Americans evade tax every year. personally, i do pay taxes but hate the fact that i’m planting trees in brazil, shipping weapons to libya, and now supplying ‘morning after’ pills for free. Leave it to our wonderful government to make all the taxpayers baby killers.

        • I declare the failure to procreate murder, therefore every time you didn’t impregnate a woman/ get pregnant when having the opportunity to have sex, you murdered someone. Yeah, wonderful world where murderers like you and me walk free, unpunished. Or for that matter, where people can use words any way they want to in order to avoid making a reasonable point.

        • Please. Show me the picture of a baby one day after conception and I’ll show you an unformed mess of tissue. Why don’t you just pass a law outlawing masturbation while you’re at it.

    • Well, let me ask you this, then–should the very wealthy be exempt from paying taxes? Just asking…

    • You watch Penn&Teller’s B.S, don’t you?

  • I’m okay with paying some taxes because I know that they are a necessary evil. However, that list is not completely accurate. The government does not pay for emergency services offered by some fire departments and ambulances. Those either come out of pocket (from us…we paid in excess of $500 for an ambulance to take our son to the hospital after a car accident) or through volunteers and donations.

    We also drink VERY clean water…from our well. It doesn’t cost us or the American tax payers a single penny. And when I was living in the city, *I* paid out the nose for city water…not the government.

    I won’t go through this list and pick it apart piece by piece, but a lot of the “services” that our government provides are double edged swords. The government schools suck in many, many places (which is why I home school), the war on drugs is a bottomless money-pit, and Social Security is about to run dry; all those people who paid into it with their taxes, their entire lives, will be royally screwed.

    I’m happy to keep paying the taxes I pay right now, but it offends me to see a lot of that money gets wasted. Frankly, I’d like to see less governmental intervention in some areas, less wasteful spending on programs that don’t work, and more intelligent spending in areas where it can do the most good.

    • The groundwater in your well is cleaner because it’s illegal for an industrial plant to buy cheap land near your house and bury all its waste chemicals there. And government enforcement of same.

    • “Social Security is about to run dry”

      Oh, really? I think you’d better do some fact checking, since that one is a whopper of a fish story . . . most likely courtesy of Fox News, the organization not known for their truthfulness, nor the accuracy of their “reporting”.

    • See how wrong you are? Community hospitals are subsidized by…TAXES! You probably belong to a… HOSPITAL DISTRICT! Sure, you might be expected to kick in a little for an ambulance ride, but that little fender bender that happened on a road paid for by, yep! TAXES! Glad your son is OK and hopefully better educated about taxes.

  • #55 IS WRONG. The US Postal service does not get a single cent from taxes. ALL their income is from the sale of stamps and products/services.

    • Clifford Chafin

      Agreed. It probably is time to privatize mail delivery though. We have developed carrier servied that could be deregulated to compete better. Some contractual obligation or subsidies could cover remote areas. It was however built on taxes to start with and was a government program.

      The is too much mindless griping about government and not enough though of how to transition services out of it when times and technology changes. Inertia is a problem. So are mindless reactionaries.

    • Foxsong is WRONG: $90 to $100 million annually is provided by Congress for the cost of free mailing for the legally blind and absentee voting ballots (which includes US Service members).

      Clifford Chafin: Try to get UPS or FedEx to deliver an envelope for you to anywhere in the world for the rates charged by the USPS; I think they’d laugh at you for asking. There is simply no way for a private company to deliver to and pick up from every address in the US and deliver anywhere in the world for what USPS charges so privatizing the mail service simply can’t happen. You complain about “… too much mindless griping about government and not enough [follow] th[r]ough of how to transition services out of it when times and technologies change” yet you offer no real idea but rather spout privatize, privatize and without those horrible regulations all will be well with the world. Sorry but that sounds like some of that “mindless reactionary” rhetoric of which you complain.

      • i agree with xplorer59. the recently-introduced priority mail envelopes is the USPS essentially saying that delivering a letter should cost $4.95, but we get it for the bargain price of 44¢!

        i read once that the USPS is the largest single employer in the world because that’s what it takes to go to each of the 115,000,000 households every single day. what private employer could handle that?

        i’m a big fan of the post office. you never ever hear comparisons that another country’s postal service is cheaper, faster, or better…because none of them are.

      • The USPS is a multi-BILLION dollar organization, and you’re complaining about $100 million to help blind people and the troops. That’s 100/1000 of $67,000,000,000. Or, 0.149%.

  • YouAreAllFools

    I have never seen so many uneducated, aggressive and ignorant posts in my life. All you fools have no understanding of American history and need to re-educate your dumb asses! You are being robbed and you are stupid enough to say ‘Thank you’! If you truly knew the great history of the Republic you would KNOW how dumb you all sound!

    • I think this would be a great conversation, do tell the history of the Republic.

      Who is being robbed?

      I personally think that we started from the pure capitalist society, we had the Articles of Confederation (which was a conservative wet dream), and it failed. So we started up a stronger federal government.

      One of the first things we did was decide, hey you know what, everyone should be educated and have equal access to make something of themselves in the United States. So we built an education system. We saw people dying in the streets, from bad water, disease, pestilence…and we decided, hey this isn’t helping anyone, let’s find ways to stop this.

      This goes on and on through history.

      How is that uneducated? Why should I not be thankful that there is someone making sure I’m not dying from mad cow disease?

  • You forgot the limited liability protection of corporations, and the safety regulations of publically traded shares.

  • Regarding #55. The US Post Office receives exactly ZERO Federal Money. It is funded completely from its own revenues, and is going broke very fast.

    • Correction…the purchase of a stamp constitutes a per-use tax by the U.S. govmt, specifically to fund a particular federal govmt agency. Every dollar spent on postage is a federal tax dollar which is simply retained by the agency of the USPS. IE….It’s own revenues ARE Federal tax dollars. So,…….

  • I’m fine with #6. I’ll just shoot the fucker.

  • Needs of the people? People are exactly the problem :/

  • I cannot speak for Republicans because, like Democrats, they are far too war-making and exploitative for me, but I can speak to taxes and government, as I suffer both myself.

    The principled objection to taxation and government is one of morality. Let me put it this way; I am proud that I work with an organization where we compete peacefully for customers and those customers are free to choose other providers for the service.

    This is not the case with government. It is immoral and unethical to force people to pay for things that they do not want to. This is a monopoly and can you really support that monopolies are good for anyone but those that run it?

    It’s not that I don’t want a society without art or roads or whatever. It’s that I want a society without oppression and exploitation. I want a society with a greater focus on peace and justice and to think that those in government are peaceful or just is to ignore all of human history including our current president’s administration!

    • I would like to point out that the government does not perform for profit, and is far less likely to intentionally take advantage of people, because that would require self interest.

      I find it hard to argue that it is immoral or unethical, when the purpose of these are to benefit people outside of the organization. That spending is also sent back into the hands of the people, like the doctors responsible for giving that care.

      I’d further argue that morality has no weight in this discussion. Morality is relative, therefor we have to rely on the Constitution to reach a compromise.

      • “[Government] is far less likely to intentionally take advantage of people, because that would require self interest.”

        Really? Because when normal people don the heroic costume of the bureaucrat they lose all self interest. Ha.

        “I find it hard to argue that it is immoral or unethical, when the purpose of these are to benefit people outside of the organization.”

        Right. Clearly there’s not much corruption or death suffered by those outside of government inflicted by those connected and in cahoots with it.

        “That spending is also sent back into the hands of the people, like the doctors responsible for giving that care.”

        And like the bankers and campaign donors and war profiteers. Very moral and ethical.

        “I’d further argue that morality has no weight in this discussion. Morality is relative, therefor we have to rely on the Constitution to reach a compromise.”

        Morality has no weight in this discussion??!!! Gross! What a horrible evil excuse for monstrous actions of the group of slime balls you apologize for. What gross rationalization of massive harm to your fellow man. Morality is not relative. It is wrong to murder and steal and oppress. Without morals it is you who have no place in a discussion about anything beyond your own navel.

    • Mission Mountains

      Exactly what does the government monopolize? There isn’t a service that the government offers that you can’t find somewhere in the private sector, and it always cost much more using the private business. I hate to see my tax dollars go to, but in the long run the benefits I receive are great. I could not imagine paying out of pocket for every expense that is offered through the government. I would be broke in a year!

      • The government has a monopoly on the use of force.

      • What do you call it when customers cannot stop paying you for the service you provide, even if they want to hire another outfit to provide that service?

        What do you call it when your organization gets to say who else can have permission to provide that service?

        Does that sound free and competitive?

        And re price; don’t ignore the fact that apartment residents pay property taxes through their rent. Do you really think that public schools are free?

        The benefits may be great but they could be better, with much less corruption and much less war and oppression.

        You do pay out of pocket. You buy bullets for Isreal with every gallon of gas you buy. It’s slimy tactics of the corrupt org called government that hides these costs. Imagine if folks had to write a check for the military every month. War would end tomorrow. But no one in DC has any interest is shutting off that gravy train any more than any other “service” they provide while taking a huge cut for themselves.

        • *ahem* But you voted for the people that create these tax codes. If you don’t like the job they’re doing, vote them out! We as the people have the power and the responsibility to place the right people in office. And if that means actually going out and researching ALL the candidates (not just the ones that the media are paying attention to with the biggest campaign budget) and getting unbiased information about them, then maybe we might get somewhere. And if you didn’t vote, you have no right to complain because you gave up your voice. And if you don’t like ANY of those candidates, maybe YOU should run for office instead of waiting for the perfect career politician to fix all the nations problems.

  • You are so right with at least 90% of what you wrote. I am not opposed to taxes because I do not want to pay taxes. I am opposed to taxes because most of what government does with tax money is wrong. http://www.christianworldviewofhistoryandculture.com/separationofchurchandstate

  • Joe Barbera

    Repubicans hate anything that is good for humanity. Health care for sick and old people, clean environment, education, unemployment benefits, work benefits, etc. They want us all to live horrible lives and be slaves for rich people. This is not your Fathers Republican party. This is a corrupt party. Gap between the rich and poor wider then ever, high unemployment, middle class and poor spill their blood in wars, and they complain about their taxes and the reason why they won’t hire when theres more millionaire and billionaires ever. Republicans are the party of the greedy and the party of no compassion or heart. Rich pigs.

  • The really amusing thing here is that it ignores the reality that the people who are complaining about taxes are the ones who actually ARE paying. The people who want to increase taxes are, in large part, not paying–about half of all Americans pay no federal income taxes at all. It’s easy to think taxes are too low when you think someone else will be stuck with the bill while you get the goodies.

    Don’t bring up General Electric, either. The reason they’re not paying taxes is that they’re jumping through the “green” hoops that the Democrats created (tax credits for high-efficiency appliances, etc.).

    • Where did you get the information that half of Americans pay no federal income tax? I’d like to review the source. The only legitimate reason I know of for not having to pay federal income taax is that one’s income level is below the taxation rate. Thus,if you have a problem paying income tax, maybe you should ask your employer to decrease your income. Otherwise, if you enjoy taking home a decent paycheck, then you’ll have to pay taxes. Sucks to be you!

      • In 2009, only 140,000,000 or so income tax returns were filed. With a little over 300 million people in the US, that’s less than half. Here’s a link if you want more specifics http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in16ag.xls

        • Not everyone in the U.S. would file a return. You cite the entire population in your stats, which include non-adults,unemployed, those earning less than the amount where they are required to file, retirees, people in nursing homes, the infirm, etc. A more truthful and accurate stat would be what percentage that are required to file , do not.

  • I hate the guvernmunt. git it out of ours lifes. I learned all I need to no in Sunday schuol. You leaches would try to take away my foodstamps. Darm Dumbocrats.

  • Taxdollar Teacher

    #51 always gets me. You hear tea-party politicians rail against the government and taxes, and I think to myself, “but you ARE the government!”

  • If you get a tax refund, or don’t pay taxes, don’t demand more from those who do pay taxes until you’ve contributed something in return for the aforementioned services.

  • Honestly, most of these things I’d be willing to do without or should be contracted/sold to private businesses. In the case of regulatory agencies, I believe that they should be more like suggestion agencies, simply making the public aware of the dangers of certain foods, pollution, diseases, and workplaces and making citizens aware of their legal rights in dealing with these things. The rest were proper roles of the government. I’m being general, but that’s because I’m not writing a response to all 102 of these items on the list.

  • If these services are so great for every American, why must the state use state-sponsored coercion (via taxation) to make them pay for it – with the threat of violence against those who refuse to comply?

    • Because people are inherently selfish and act in their own self-interest. Beyond that, most Americans are inherently ignorant and short-sighted. I don’t trust the future of the country in the hands of the uneducated masses that would rather buy themselves a pack of beer than pay a few dollars to improve infrastructure or preserve the environment. There’s a reason why the United States is a republic. But no, let’s pretend like a state can actually exist without mandatory taxation. It’s not like we already tried that with the Articles of the Confederation and FAILED MISERABLY or anything like that.

  • This is one of the most absurd, rhetorical articles without research I have seen. Nearly 47% of all households don’t pay any federal incaome taxes as it is. And, its my guess, the “educator” who wrote this get a tax refund too. So, STOP USING THESE PROGRAMS. YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR THEM!

  • This is the bold faced point that socialist libshits dont like hearing: WE DON’T WANT MOST OF YOUR GOVERNMENT-FUNDED ENTITLEMENTS AND OVERTAXED BULLCRAP PROGRAMS!! WE DIDN’T AUTHORIZE THE GOVERNMENT HIRING 30 PEOPLE TO DO A 3 PERSON JOB FOR 3 TIMES WHAT THEY’RE LABOR IS WORTH!! JUST BECAUSE “TAXES” PAY FOR CERTAIN THINGS, DOESN’T MEAN IT SHOULD NOR EVER SHOULD IN THE PAST!!

    PERIOD!!

  • SailingTheWind

    Actually I’d happily not do over 80% of them if the government wouldn’t make me pay for them. I’m sure many are in that boat, but the ones I want are different from yours. So why not make them all pay-as-you-go. I’ll pay for mine, you pay for yours. Unfortunately that won’t work because there is always someone that wants you and me to pay for his choices, too. That’s the nature of socialism.

  • So does this mean that minimum wage earners shouldn’t get any of these things either? They don’t pay taxes.

    • Actually, they do pay taxes. The only one that they don’t pay is income tax. That’s because they don’t make enough. They do pay payroll taxes (FICA) and every other tax.

  • My understanding from conversations with teapeople is that these services will be provided by competitive private enterprise, but only if they don’t also have to pay taxes. Religious charity instead of forced taxation.
    Taxes only for defense.

    • You may want to watch your wallet around these conservatives and “tea people”. They aren’t exactly telling the truth, just what they want you to know and nothing more.

    • Re the conservative/Tea Party political line:

      First of all, one would have to find companies willing to step up to the plate to do this.

      Next, this concept has been in place with health insurance companies, and we all know how THAT lowered prices and made insurance affordable for all. ‘Nuf said on that one. (Of course one could use the argument that the insurance companies were still being taxed, therefore, they couldn’t be as competitive as they wanted to be….right!)

      Next, corporations/businesses do what is good for them not what is good for the consumer. Go back 100+ years and look at child labor….plus, companies still try to go the sweat shop route if they can.

      In this same light, let’s look at FDIC…..we put that in private hands and we have the whole Wall Street debacle.

      Bottom line: even if there are businesses that step up to the place and the whole thing goes into competitive private enterprise, who’s watching the hen house? (See previous comment.)

  • This post is based upon a highly inaccurate premise. Republicans hate excessive tax and government, not all tax and government.

    Also, they may want to cut government programs, but that does not always mean they want it gone 100%. Republicans believe that private spending is considerably more efficient than government spending, so they think that money should be diverted into the pockets of the citizens in order to pick and choose what they want to support. It is based off of simple supply and demand. If the government refuses to fund a road repair, there should be the opportunity for a private entity to come in and fund it and reap the benefits therefrom.

    • They hate excessive taxes… for the corporations, hence people like Mitch McConnell fighting hand over foot to keep open loopholes.

      They hate excessive government… yet they won’t hesitate to interfere in the private lives of citizens if it suits their interest.

      The money never gets diverted to the citizen, as Reaganomics has proven (because I refuse to count a corporation as a citizen). They entrust us in the greed of the wealthy and let us be held hostage by it.

    • “Republicans believe that private spending is considerably more efficient than government spending, so they think that money should be diverted into the pockets of the citizens in order to pick and choose what they want to support.”

      The problem with this is that the programs were started, and continued, because the private sector wasn’t doing them.

      So, when the private sector shows that they can and will do them, the talks about cutting those programs can start. Not before.

    • would that “private enterprise” be the contractors in Iraq/Afghanistan? You know, the ones that aren’t responsible to the American public? That private enterprise? Have you ever bothered to look at the victories of WWII and thought how it would have worked with contractors? People that “sell their services” for the highest dollar are not the ones I want protecting my liberty.

      I consider taxes the price of freedom. If you don’t like the price tag, shop elsewhere.

  • Rule 33 should be here, because the vast majority of Republicans don’t know how to use the internet being that they are either stupid or over 65

  • why would someone hate Texas? O.o
    thats odd…

  • This is a straw man argument. No one is arguing for ZERO taxes. Conservatives want the government to stop providing consumer goods and services. Taxes would be minimal if the government only consisted of courts and police.

    • Right. What then would you do with the subsequent homeless, hungry, uncared for children, etc, that would result in the government not providing certain consumer goods and services, seeing as how below a certain income will always be unable to afford such things from the private sector. Third world status, here we come.

  • There isn’t any welfare close to what Goldman Sachs and the other Wall Street banks got, and continue to get. Look there if you want to find some welfare queens. Oh, and the military industrial complex, they get a lot of welfare too. We’re talking trillions over the last 10 years. 1,000,000,000,000

    The whole discussion is ironic, since the government is what made this modern form of communication possible, investing tax payer dollars into the research and engineering that created the internet.

  • I’ve seen posts that criticize people for not paying taxes, and for using various forms of “government help” (not those people who abuse the system, but those who truly need it). Why should I be penalized for not paying taxes? Do you think I like being poor? Do any of those who criticize have any idea how much my family and I would desperately love to earn enough money per year to not have to worry about which bill gets paid this month and which one will have to slide until “the next paycheck”? Not throwing myself a pity party here–just stating the facts. If my husband could earn enough money so that we could have enough to save for a rainy day or even put some aside for our childrens’ college education, I would GLADLY pay taxes, and wouldn’t even dream of complaining about it. Do you who criticize truly blame the poor for not paying taxes? Do you think we make up the laws and write the tax code? Do you think those who are jobless and homeless get what they deserve? You people need to walk a mile in a man’s shoes before you judge.

    • If you’d love to pay taxes, just waive your tax refund every year.

      • I am going to go out on a limb and say “Dave” doesn’t have a clue what it’s like to be poor.

        Emily, I get it. My family is down to a ration of one meal a day, beans and rice from the bulk bin. And I am not even unemployed, just under-employed. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear these a-holes whine about having to pay taxes on their prosperity.

  • John Q. Public

    Taxation is theft. Is theft ever morally legitimate? I do not wish to be taxed, yet if I resist I will be assaulted in some manner by people who claim to represent “government”. If I resist enough, they will put me into prison and steal my material possessions. If I resist even more, they will take away my life. How is this morally justifiable?

    “Government” as such does not exist. It is nothing more than a concept. Be that as it may, where derives the authority of one person or group thereof to forcibly take from the rest? I have yet to hear an argument that justifies it. All the standard arguments that are used over and over again to justify the use of force and violence to steal away the fruits of one’s labors are failure ridden.

    I have never agreed to be taxed. There are those who refer to notions such as the “social contract” as the justification and source of authority for the commission of such acts of violence against those who have committed no crimes. They fail to take into account that there is no such contract in evidence. All contracts, to be valid, require the presence of six elements. The so-called “social contract” most often is missing all six, and in the best cases at least half. Given that contracts much have all six in order to qualify as contracts, the social contract is a fiction and a nonsense.

    The list of 102 things is not only mainly ridiculous, it is also gravely flawed and showing the tremendous ignorance of whoever it was that concocted it.

    To those who wish to pay for “services”, knock yourselves out. Leave the rest of us out of it.

    • If you don’t like it, leave it. My how times have changed.

      • John Q. Public

        It is interesting to note your emotional responses, lacking anything remotely resembling reason. How about answering some of the questions instead of posting such nonsense? Are you incapable of responding with well reasoned logic and truth? How about answering just one question? When is theft morally legitimate? Try to stay on point.

        • Wow, John Q. Public trying to speak about emotional responses! Stop the presses!

          “where derives the authority of one person or group thereof to forcibly take from the rest?” – I’m wondering that myself about corporations. As for government, it is the contract we enter in – again, you make sacrifices for the protection of your collective interests. Again I pose to you the dilemma of the Articles of Confederation. Even your precious Founding Fathers realized the necessary evils of taxation, apparently.

          The social contract is a concept which I fear you’re incapable of understanding. Once again your precious Founding Fathers kinda accepted it for you. They weren’t that fond of “the masses.” And really, what are you going to do about it? Considering that the Constitution rules this entire stretch of land and you choose to be governed by the government it creates…

          As for the, “if you don’t like it, leave,” didn’t you do that earlier? Oh yeah, you did! Because your own reasoning is inherently flawed and somehow your desire to not pay taxes precludes your reliance on emotion!

    • You pay taxes in every country in the world. And the US is 3rd from the bottom of 34 country’s, in their tax rate. And you are complaining??

      One of the country’s that has a lower tax rate is Mexico. I think you should go for it.

    • Aquarian dreamer

      let me guess you failed history and whatever american government courses you ever took. it should have been instilled in you that paying taxes is a GOOD thing dumbass. remember that old saw the only things that are constant are death and taxes? btw that “contract” exists. you voted right? then you pay taxes. you filled out your w2?(i believe the form is the w2 anyways) you pay taxes because you agreed to do so. I dont even want to know if you CAN get any dumber

  • Most Americans don’t mind paying for some sort of tax for some government services. Case in point many Liberals don’t enjoy paying taxes for the defense budget, especially when they feel that the military is being used irresponsibly. Fiscal Conservatives like myself, don’t like paying taxes for other services that I feel are being used irresponsibly. I think there are plenty of ways for our Government to apply taxes to services that our Government inturn keeps from being legal. Marijuana cultivation and prostitution, off the top of my head for starters. Because I am Socially Liberal. I for one don’t want my tax dollars paying for the DEA to invade my neighbors house, shoot his dog, plant false evidence and then send him off to prison for 20 years, while my tax dollars pay to have his freedoms and life taken away.

    The snarky @$$4013 who wrote this should also think about the fact that our tax dollars, have been used and abused by our Government to do some very bad things.

    Am I supposed to support that because you think you are making a profound point with a childish article?

    Are our leaders, and elected officials so wise to never be infallable? Are they without fault and not abusers of power, and seduced by greed?

    The fact is that Liberals and Leftists have now turned to support a government that 3 years ago, they were protesting and criticising, just because Obama was elected. And really what has changed? We are now involved in 3 wars, our debt has quadrupled, The Patriot Act was just extended, we are barely treading water and this is a good thing? Obama-Care? It won’t kick in for another what, 5 years? And gays in the military? Which amounts to a hill of beans in the real world. In the grand scheme of things, we are full steam ahead into the same place we were long before Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter were elected. We are full steam ahead into a Totalitarian government, who will decided for us every little minute detail of our lives, what’s good for us, what’s bad, what time we go to bed, what time we get up, who we are married to and living with, how many kids we can have, what we do for a living. It will even know personal things about us, things that should be private, stored in data bases, and compiled, and computated, by bureaucratic bean counters who will make the decisions of your life based on a graph, of who best to protect their bottom line.

    And you will be spoon fed tripe from an article telling to to “pay your taxes” gladly and without question…

  • Its pretty ignorant to think that Republicans don’t want to pay taxes. They simply want to pay less in taxes an lower the estate tax. Why should the government get what some have worked their whole lives for? The upper tax brackets already pays 35% of their income. If the upper tax bracket pays less taxes, it can (not always, their are greedy people in this world, republican and democrat) create jobs or make the jobs that already exist better. This will also allow people to invest more money into the economy, in turn making them more money, creating possibly (like I said not always) more jobs.

  • great list !

    i want to opt out of all taxes. if people sign a contract with your list will you agree to peaceful coexistence.

  • So, how would the country work without taxes? How would you run the country that would not be a Mad Max type world?

  • What I’d like to know is: If you’re an Americans who loves your country, who considers yourself patriotic, who does not want to pay taxes, who does not think large corporations should pay taxes… what do you love about this country? What is your vision for this country and the future of individual Americans?

  • I’d like to know is: If you’re an Americans who loves your country, who considers yourself patriotic, who does not want to pay taxes, who does not think large corporations should pay taxes… what do you love about this country? What is your vision for this country and the future of individual Americans?

  • This is about the stupidest list I’ve ever seen!!!! If you think that these items listed are the ONLY things that taxes go to, you are pitifully naive. It’s government WASTE that Republicans are against. And don’t give me that crap about Republican congressmen who waste money. We’re pissed at them too.

  • And assume that your disabled relatives will be moving in with YOU because they will have no means of support for independent living. Don’t even *think* of asking for support if you yourself are disabled.

  • I just “love” how, when someone criticizes the tax system, some mindless drone, more notably a moonbat, is quick to retaliate by listing all the good things our taxes go to (as though our taxes are all taken fairly and used wisely and efficiently), shaming the person by calling them selfish, and demanding that they move to Somalia (usually without knowing where Somalia is located on a map, let alone the country’s history and demographics) if they don’t like their taxes.

    As I mentioned in another comment section, it’s the same blind patriotism we saw the right-wingers use against those who questioned the intent of the military and wars. “How dare you question our brave men and women fighting for our freedoms! Are you selfish? Do you want the terrorists to win? Then shut up and support our troops, or else you can get out and move to Somalia!”

    But then again, the state needs mindless drones to defend itself from criticism—drones who will cry “traitor” or “unpatriotic” or “un-American” anytime someone asks questions or gives criticism. That’s how the state survives, through blind patriotism and unquestioning loyalty. After all, the only people who ask questions are selfish ingrates who don’t know how much the state has done for them. So it’s only best to put up and shut up. Don’t ask question. Keep following the state’s demands like a good citizen.

    So, to all the mindless drones who demand we support the troops or pay our taxes: WAKE UP!

  • Stacey Shaffer

    Great eye-opener…but I don’t get the cell phone one and the US Postal service is terrible. At least the BOZO running the Portage Office is terrible.

  • For all of the people who believe that because they pay taxes they are going to milk the system and try and get all of the benefit they can from the different programs, I’d like to say that might be part of the problem.

    If only those people who truly needed (which is understandably a hard designation to make) these programs used them, then there would be a smaller pool of individuals using them. Over time the government could justify spending less tax monies on these programs as they posted surpluses or failed to show a larger number of people using them. While some program directors might try to falsify their records in order to maintain their share of the federal budget, that would not be all of them. The usage of programs by people who do not actively need all of the services contributes to the higher tax load needed by all Americans.

    I’m sure that some will see my opinion as naive, but I believe that this is not an issue of Republicans v. Democrats as much as it is an issue of perceived value for money spent. I will happily pay my taxes in order for youth groups to receive either federal, state or local funding to help keep people off the streets where boredom can turn into crime. I will happily pay my taxes in order for outbreaks of salmonella or other diseases to be traced back to their source. I will continue paying taxes so our local public transit system can run, because it does not break even with its fare collections. Taxes help make life run smoothly for more people. It’s not perfect, but nothing in life is.

  • When you see that a big corporation has made millions or billions in profits, that figure is their net. That means after they have paid millions or billions in taxes. After they have paid their employees who in turn pay their taxes, and after they have paid for all the material they have used to produce their product. And the corporations they bought that material have to pay taxes and employees.

    • Giant corporations are pros at wiggling out of taxes in addition to the benefits they get for holding the economy hostage. And they don’t pay their employees more than a pittance besides the CEOs.

      And then they still ship their jobs overseas to make another droplet on their billions, letting everyone lap up the “market” excuse.

      Not to mention how bad this is for competition.

  • Do you realize that the people who pay absolutely No tax at all still enjoy all the benefits listed above and more that the tax paying people do?

    • Do you realize that they pay no tax at all because they have fallen on hard times? It could happen to you. And if it does, you would, I hope, be grateful for these programs.

  • Did you know that there are over 230 millionaires in Congress and most of them are Democrat?
    Then of course there are all the Hollywood Democrats. And don’t forget folks like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, both of whom are dyed in the wool Dems.

    • Rick, do you know the difference between Republican and Democratic millionaires? The Democrats understand that taxes are the price we pay for civilization, while the latter for Republicans is an expendable nicety.

  • If you are still paying taxes required by law, then you are entitled to all those services even if you don’t like them. When the crime rate goes up and the roads are all falling apart paid for by taxes, then the hacks in charge aren’t doing their jobs properly do we get our money back? No? I didn’t think so. When people come over to this country that aren’t legal and our government assigns them phony social security numbers (Massachusetts did that) and they are collecting monies that haven’t paid into, what do you expect hard working tax paying citizens to say? Nothing? You want us to keep quite? You are going to have to shut us up, until then, we’re going to keep on bitchin’ till we see fairness and equity.

  • And all you anti tax morons can stop using the internet right now. If you think for a second that taxpayer dollars arent coursing through the backbone, you are sadly mistaken. Not to mention the fact that it was founded using federal tax dollars.

    Log off. Turn off your computers.

    I will wait.

    What are you waiting for.

  • I wrote my senators today (both very conservative Republicans-Lindsay Graham and Jim DeMint) to ask them how and why they can rail against this deficit spending but vote to keep subsidies to Big Oil and tax breaks for the rich in place. I’m interested to read their replies because I specifically said that attributing job growth to these measures will not fly.

    I hope everyone who disagrees with their representatives – on whatever issue – writes to let them know. Maybe I’m a naive optimist but it makes me feel better to vent. Try it!

  • Righthandman is smoking crack. You really belive your own BS? Your’e crazy. And Rebecca, you speak the truth. You go girl!

  • Totally agree with all of the above and was going to share to FB, but your share requirements caused me to have grave concerns:

    The group can…
    access my data at anytime
    manage my pages
    post check-ins on my behalf
    access posts on my newsfeed
    access my profile information

    While I agree wholeheartedly with the message, your requirements for sharing your well-reasoned argument with all of my FB friends are far too invasive. :(

  • The only thing this list proves is that the federal government is in every aspect of our lives, from the food we eat to the air we breathe and everything in between. The more things you guys list and attribute to the government only adds more proof the point that we are at the mercy of the 535 idiots who get elected to Congress.

    • as promised

      I see people bemoaning so-called government intrusion. Have you really learned nothing about placing so much in the hands of so few (namely big-biz corporations)? Credit card companies, media monopolies, health insurance collusion, big banks and mortgages…? YOU are not THEM! You never will be them! They do not have your interests at heart and you can see with your own eyes it does not “create competition”, that is an utter falsehood. How much more proof do you need?!! Wake up!

  • Great article! I wanted to share it, but the “Share” button links to this unfathomably intrusive “LinksAlpha” garbage that requested every single permission available on Facebook – to access all my information, post as me, post as my pages, send me emails, the whole nine yards! You guys really should consider finding a better “share” provider… like Facebook itself, perhaps?

    • If you copy the link to the page, and past it in your status dialog box, it will work without all the necessary stuff.

      I don’t use my FB to log into anything. I create an account on my own, without using my FB page. It is easier to control what is happening that way.

  • If the government was not overcharging the USPS for retirement benefits, the USPS would have broke even.

  • Brian Feister

    A childish and immature generalization of those object to *HIGH* taxes, not ALL taxes.

  • Ask a Dem, “How much tax money do you want?”
    They will have no answer. There is never enough for the Dems.

    • I’m not a Dem, but I’ll answer that question. When no child is unfed or unschooled, when no man is homeless, when EVERY person has a chance at achieving the American dream, and America is once again the shining beacon atop the hill, THAT will be enough for me.

      And even if we don’t have the money to pay for those things, the FOUNDERS gave the congress UNLIMITED power to borrow and spend for “the general welfare of the people”. See Article 1 Section 8.

      • W.C.Quantrill

        No they did not give the CONgress unlimited power to borrow and spend, they gave the power to borrow and spend, and then listed specifically the purposes for what CONgress could spend money on in the rest of Article I Section 8.

        Then they turned around and gave every single other responsibility to the States and to the People in Amendments 9 and 10.

        The Founders understood the concept of personal responsibility and self reliance.

        Qualities that are in short supply today.

        It is not your responsibility to take care of me, that responsibility falls to me, and me alone.

        If a child is hungry or unschooled, don’t blame me, blame the child’s parents.

        If a man is homeless, I didn’t make whatever choices that person made for themselves to end up that way.

        Every person HAS the opportunity for the American dream.

        But it is up to that person to take advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves.

        • Have you even read Article 1 Section 8? Maybe you should re-read it again, it’s a VERY lengthy list of things that they can spend and borrow money for.

          Do you think the Founding Fathers were conservatives?

          If you do, do you REALLY believe that breaking away from the largest monarchy in the 1700s was a conservative move? Think about it.

        • Vanessa Callahan

          Such a kind and compassionate person you are. There’s an old Native American saying that conservatives (especially so called Christian ones) should learn. Do not judge a man unless you have walked a mile in his moccasins.

        • I’ve been reading through these posts, some of
          them rather silly, others quite thoughtful. But,
          yours takes the cake. How dare you blame our
          American military vets for their homelessness!
          Or our mentally disabled? Or, advocate punishing
          the children of the poor for their parents’ poverty. Sounds a bit like Marie Antoinette before
          she was beheaded. “Let them eat cake.” Hope you
          take care of yourself if some catastrophic event
          occurs in your life.

  • Stupid. Just because I hate taxes does not mean that I am not going to take advantage of what I am paying for. As long as the tax is there, and my money is going towards something, I’m going to use it. If my money is being put into something, I’m going to milk the most out of it that I can, otherwise it would be even worse, I would be giving my money and receiving nothing. If you want to tell somebody that they shouldn’t do all these things or use these services, tell it to someone who evades their taxes. Not someone who is of the opinion that they are wrong.

  • 103 Do not get sent to jail for using marijuana.

    104 Do not stop poor minorities from coming to your country.

    105 Do not get hated by foreigners for propping up their dictators.

    106 Do not go through naked body scanners while traveling.

    107 Do not get sent to jail for filming police officers in public.

    108 Do not get banned from marrying the person you love.

  • Steve Bradfield

    “Republicans who hate taxes” automatically lumps everyone who is anywhere to the right of center into one category. Is it fair to lump everyone on the other side as “Democrats who love taxes”? If so, then the opposite argument can be made: Why don’t you tax everyone at 100%, provide whatever services you deem worthy, and give each of us what you think we need to live on?

    I don’t like taxes, and I see them as a necessary evil. A lot of this list is true, but the presentation is one-sided politicizing at its best. It looks to me like the purpose isn’t to prove, or even illustrate a point, but rather to “win”. It’s always easier to say “See, I’m right and you’re stupid!” Than to actually discuss the issues at hand.

    • Necessary evil? What on earth is ‘evil’ about anything on that list that taxes have provided? The word ‘tax’ itself has become demonized by the right-wing in America, but in my opinion, after voting paying your taxes is pretty much the most patriotic act an American can make, because it shows a willingness to invest in the future of our country. (It means a lot more to me than wearing a stupid flag pin or putting a sticker on the back of your car…)

      What exactly is ‘evil’ about taxes?

  • John Giles: “The bigger the government the smaller the citizen. ”
    I take it that you are in agreement with many of the Republicans who are adamant that we should reduce govt involvement and ‘Privatize’ as much as possible?
    On the surface that seems a very appealing concept, and if I had not spent time thinking about it I would probably agree with you, but there is an inherent problem contained within that ideal. The issue is that Humans are NOT always looking out for the rest of humanity and doing the right thing. Take the banks for example; Alan Greenspan admitted, naively (after the bubble burst) that he was as shocked as the next man because he had always believed that the banks would regulate themselves!! He-llo! What happens instead is that human nature takes over at every opportunity to take advantage of a situation. So the banks justified their actions by the fact that they were making money for their investors while annihilating the economy. The same happens when you privatize companies. Initially you see competition between Company #1 and the other companies… and prices may even come down because of it… but given time, and lack of regulation, the companies will soon see that by working together they can increase prices, and with no regulation who is to stop them? Plus you get monopolies like WalMart who move into an area and kill-off all the small business competition so they end-up in control of even who you can vote for and still keep your job!
    Even WITH regulation there are so many loop-holes, that we are being majorly screwed, especially when the Republicans won’t allow even the simplest, most logical bills, to pass just because they are being proposed by Democrats!
    Look at the price of gas. Why is it so high?
    The regulations for the oil companies were not enforced and were actually weakened during GW’s administration, so we ended-up with a major economical and ecological disaster in the Gulf caused by BP. BP is responsible for cleaning it up. We the People have to pay for the disaster via FEMA, We the People pay BP subsidies as an incentive to do their drilling too. In order to cover the expense of the clean-up BP raises prices so that we will pay for their expenses. The other oil companies get on the bandwagon and raise their prices, so everyone gets more money except We the People who end up paying out three-times-over for BP’s slack attention to detail and lack of concern. THAT is what happens when you take govt out of the picture, only 10-fold. Only a moron would suggest it. Think about it! Oh! …and check out some of the other countries in the world that have a HIGHER standard of living than we do. They pay more in taxes, but live better.

  • W.C.Quantrill

    Mr. Foster, I am thinking you are confusing Constitutionally authorized federal expenditures with state, local, and personal responsibilities. Most police and fire services are local municipal or county run, and paid for with those taxes, save State law enforcement, such as your State troopers, which are paid for with State taxes. 60 of the items on your list are not Constitutionally authorized.

    Some others are vague, as #9, public restrooms. Your ‘public’ restroom at the county courthouse is paid for with county taxes, not federal taxes. The only ‘federal’ public restrooms are the ones in federal buildings, national parks, and highway rest stops. Needless to say most of the public does not use a federal public restroom very often.

    Only 10 of the items you list are Constitutionally authorized federal expenditures, per Article I, Section 8. The federal judiciary is authorized in Article III, Section 1.

    It would take hours, maybe even days, to answer each one of the items listed, as I have a job, but in the interest of being brief, I bid you good day.

    • Those are STILL taxes. Don’t you get that? You’re only proving his point FOR him. TAXES pay for all of those things, it doesn’t matter what TYPE of taxes it’s STILL taxes. Let me break this down for you, based on what you posted.

      Federal taxes = taxes
      County taxes = taxes
      State taxes = taxes

      Need anymore clarification?

  • Ivan B. Selling

    This list was obviously written by a school teacher during class. But remember “It’s for the good of the children.” I love it when those who claim to be “for taxes” when what they really mean is “for YOU to pay taxes”.

    I believe what most people want is to be treated fairly. They don’t mind paying a share as long as its fair. What is wrong with everyone paying a flat 15%, no special deductions for this group or that group.

    But that wouldn’t play very well at election time would it? The politicians would have no group to pit against another. Vote for me and I make your neighbor pay more, not you of course because you voted for me, it will be the other guy.

    Hellllloooo Suckers!!

    • It would have been written by a teacher? Why, because it’s informative and based on facts, not wild speculation?

      I’d rather be taught be a teacher, than someone like you who looks down on trained teaching professionals.

  • Well, the problem is, alot of those services are paid for by the consumer, plus who gives a shit about the USDA(which you used multiple times), plus, people pay for their kids to go to private school. What republicans want is the entitlement and waste to end. The highest tax rate we pay is corporate taxes(which is one of the highest in the world), check your facts next time. People that don’t know that, are probably on an entitlement program, or work for one that is mentioned.

    • Dan, corporations in the U.S. have been skating off paying taxes in droves. Exxon hasn’t paid taxes in years and has actually been getting tax subsidies. As have Carnival Cruise Lines, Citigroup, GE, Valero, Bank of America, Chevron, Boeing, Conoco Phillips, Goldman Saks and too many others. Yet other corporations station their operations off shore to avoid taxes such as Pepsi, American Express and Caterpillar. Of the few corporations in the U.S. that pay taxes, the percentage of taxes they usually pay is under 11%–far below what it is for the rest of the world. So, no. I don’t feel their pain.

  • Great list, a bit repetitive but gets the point across. And it’s all roads — dirt roads, if they are roads and not private lanes, are also maintained by govt.

    I am a US citizen living in Australia, where we have universal health care. Folks here are astounded that the richest country in the world allows any of its children to go without basic medical care.

    But what amazes me is to hear from those who complain that they are having to pay more than their fair share. The system is rigged in their favor, you know; many (if not most) of the services mentioned are much more available to, and more utilised by, those with money, living in the right neighborhoods, than those without. (For instance, poor folk are not likely to need secure airports, being without the means to fly; or federally subsidised irrigation water, being farmhands not farm owners.) But there is another model, ie fee for service — private fire departments, private armies, each house its own little fortress. Kinda like what Columbia must be like. Any takers?

    • as promised

      I’m like you, but residing in Canada. It is only in books and movies that we see or hear about “hospital bills” ! It is inconceivable and it *does* put the US in the same bracket as a 3rd world country. Obviously neither Oz or Canada are “socialist” countries by any means and we share everything on that list with the US…. except health care…. and somehow health care is the giant boogie-man that would turn America into a socialist country? How bizarre is that?

      • Yes, the US ranks with the third world in its delivery of health care. I’ve been reading quite a bit about Europe and – surprise! – they don’t pay all that much more in taxes than we do, but they spend it on their citizens, rather than their military. They have health care, day care, and pensions for everyone. I’d much rather have that than our huge military stores and our ability (stupidity) to start two wars at once. And before anyone 9/11s me – let’s remember that the UK had its subway bombed and Spain had their trains bombed, and they somehow managed to NOT start a war over it.

        • John Q. Public

          What a shamefully ignorant statement you make that we rank with the third world in healthcare. Have you ever been to the “third world”? I have. There is effectively no healthcare to speak of. To say that the USA ranks with such places suggests either mournful ignorance on your part or rankly transparent dishonesty.

          I would also point out that the socialistic healthcare systems of nations such as Sweden are in trouble. They are not advertising this, but they are in ever hotter water because the business models (if the term can even be reasonably applied) work at losses.

          England’s healthcare system is a nightmare. I have several friends there, all natives and all of the socialistic liberal mindset. Every one of them says their system sucks and they avoid using it wherever possible.

          People I know in Canada are more mixed in their opinions of that nations system, but many also say the system there is not very attractive. Those same people come to the USA when something serious requires attention.

          Have you ever been in a European hospital? I have. They are scary places on the whole. The attitudes there are not as they are here. You are looked upon as an object – a chunk of meat even – and not as a person. The staff tend to be rather taciturn in their demeanor, without outward signs of compassion and almost completely absent of any mannerisms suggestive of moral support. You are a sick thing and they are doing their minimally required schtick to “serve” you.

          If you think these places are so superior to what we have here in the USA, then I heartily recommend you move there and be done with this den of evil.

          • And yet, it still can’t suck as bad as what we’ve got.

            And yeah, I’ll move if you’re paying.

          • John Q., Americans are going overseas in droves as medical tourists. So, they must like it pretty good. And my sister’s first husband is a German national. She lived there for ten years and loved it. Stephen Hawking said he’d be dead if it hadn’t been for the British NHS, so they must have done something right if he stood by them so militantly. If Sweden isn’t “advertising” that their healthcare system is in trouble, it’s probably cause it isn’t. And Canada’s healthcare is terrific. They shudder when they hear of the nightmarish system we have; a system where people are only a money-making commodity and even those who are insured often sit waiting anxiously to see if their treatment is a “go” by their insurance company. A system where those who can’t afford insurance or don’t qualify due to pre-existing conditions, are left to fend for themselves and either go into bankrupting debt for medical care or face disability or death by not getting treated. That sounds like a bigger nightmare than any foreign hospital I can imagine. Makes me glad that the military is giving me all that nice socialized medicine.

          • Since you take delight in calling people you disagree with disgusting names and using disrespectful comments, please allow me the same right. Take your disrespectful comments and shove them up your fat, lazy ass, you moronic asshole.
            I have been in Canada and Europe and have had medical experiences with Canadian and in two countries in Europe. I found nothing you said to be true. So tell your fairy tales to your kids, if you have any. What a bullshitter you are.
            I was in the U.S. Navy, in the nam, from 1969 to 1971. Fighting. I’ll wager you never even served, like Rush, Hannity, GW Bush and Dick ” The Snake ” Chaney. At least Bush Sr. had the guts to fight. But when the time came for these other guys to step up to the plate, they were nowhere to be found. I guess GWB thought charlie was gonna invade Texas. He didn’t even fulfill his enlistment. He left early(with some fatherly help) to help run a political campaign down south somewhere.
            Cowards are always the biggest hawks, and greedy self-serving pricks always complain about taxes. I think both comments apply to you. Oh, and bring back the draft, so the rich, white boys have to fight in your wars. Bush starts two wars on borrowed money, and not a single righty bitches about the money we spent. Explanation?

  • Number 100

    Not it’s workers!!! PLEASE it is “its workers.”
    It’s means it is.

    Otherwise I love this. Thank you.

  • The only problem I have with this list is that it states “So, you’re a Republican that hates taxes?” I know more Democrats who’ve stated that they hate taxes. Republicans tend to state that they hate certain programs, but only in Mass Media do we hear the generalization that Republicans hate taxes. And, as a Democrat, I can say with all honesty that I hate paying taxes. And it has nothing to do with all the “wonderful” services that our government overlords have provided to us. It is simply that I don’t like seeing money squandered.

  • You republicons should be SCREAMING about the billions we spend on WAR out of tax revenues. Your hard earned tax money is going over to Afghanistan and helping our young men and women get killed.

    • Cherilyndria

      I know, right! I’ve always said that you can’t say you are PRO LIFE when you think its ok to take 18 yr olds, stick guns in their hand and send them to die! how is that PRO LIFE? 190 million dollars a day, but thats ok, the rich don’t pay for it, Average Jane is paying the tax money that they are paying her son to go over seas to risk his life in countries we have no right to be in that they try brainwashing the people into thinking is the right thing to do, if that don’t piss you off, I don’t know what else can

  • Do not buy any clothing, electronics or other non-food grocery items in states that charge sales tax.

    Do not buy gas in states that charge gas taxes

    Do not get immunized as immunizations for many fatal infections were and are subsidized by county health departments and the federal government.

    Do not allow your children to have a free and public education.

    Do not take a cruise or fly in any commercial planes or airlines.

    Do not listen to the radio, watch tv, or communicate using any microwave or analog radio towers (CB radios)

    Do not get married or divorced, file for bankruptcy, file lawsuits or conduct any business at the courthouse – including bonding people out of jail.

  • If its a government agency, taxes ARE involved.

  • Dear Complaintants, I suspect that what you want your taxes to be used for are things that would harm America. Stop sitting on your high horses, complaining about taxes. Boo hoo hoo. You sit there and bitch about taxes and then let your jackass Republican politicians jack up the defense budget and pass bills that ban abortion and legislate our private lives. How is THAT keeping government OUT of our lives?

  • Dear Complainants, I suspect that what you want your taxes to be used for are things that would harm America. Stop sitting on your high horses, complaining about taxes. Boo hoo hoo. You sit there and bitch about taxes and then let your jackass Republican politicians jack up the defense budget and pass bills that ban abortion and legislate our private lives. How is THAT keeping government OUT of our lives?

  • Deborah Brunson

    Be careful what you put here. USDA is NOT paid for by taxes. The produce, meat and medical companies pay exhorberant fees to have thier products inspected. Inspectors get paid 10.00 and hour but companys pay up to 300.00 per hour to get inspections. Also we pay city and county taxes. We pay tolls on roads, we pay tax on gasoline and we pay IRS…that means we are being double and triple taxed on the same things. As for water…I use well water 100 persent better than recirculated sewer water that your city taxes are paying for. And what about all the money in pensions x government officials receive? And how about all the money they charge to enter national parks? If my taxes are paying for them…then I shouldn’t be charged. How about all the wasted money our government sends overseas. Come on. Get real. I could go on and on. If they are going to tax us then I want to have a say on where the money is spent and I don’t want it wasted on big government spending.

  • Forgot one thing #103 Don’t send your kids to any public school because teachers are paid with tax dollars and schools are built and maintained with tax dollars.

  • @brainfan

    Those who are given the choice to not pay taxes for these services would still use them. Let’s not pretend that they wouldn’t.

  • You (or whomever made the list) forgot a couple: “Don’t irrigate your crops with water provided by the Grand Coulee Dam.” and “Don’t use power provided by the Grand Coulee Dam”. Not to mention the Bonneville dam, Cascade Locks, National Parks and Recreation Areas, etc. etc. etc.

  • What a tremendously simple-minded argument. I suppose, if it makes you feel intelligent to make a list of taxpayer-supported things that everybody likes, and ignore the huge amounts of waste, then – good for you.

    • You notice that Republicans see this list then stammer that they don’t mind paying taxes. They just don’t want their money helping any shiftless, lazy brown people.

      That is what it comes down to for them. Always. “We are better than SOMEONE out there, and that someone needs to be punished.”

      • That’s a pretty ignorant statement. You shouldn’t generalize a population because of a a few outliers. That kind of thinking helped Alabama’s Commissioner of Public Safety, Bull Connor and his actions to enforce racial segregation and deny Civil Rights to African American citizens. Think before you speak and don’t generalize populations!

      • John Q. Public

        Brown people? If you are going to attempt to shame someone, at least try to do a decently clever job of it. This was so transparently lame that it suggests the shame should fall upon your own shoulders.

  • There are taxes that go to good things such as military,fire,police and basic infrastucture and republicans understand that. But if you want the government to run every part of life be my guest,you can go back and suckle on your mothers teets for all we care. Be a bunch of babies that need people to run your life. The bigger the government the smaller the citizen. Also, you repeat yourself on many of these services listed and MOST could be done more efficiently by the private sector. Somehow poor people got by in life before the 60′s Great Society,there were fewer poor people before the War on Hunger than now as well. Somehow buildings get built without Government assistence more people go without it than with it I’m tired of liberal elitists and their ponmpus attitudes

    • Willow Fire

      Most of these services existed without Federal assistance in the past. Churches helped soup kitchens, communities funded schools (or people who thought education was important built schools and paid teachers even if the community didn’t). many federal policies actually hurt things more than they help. Think of this food prices are going up, so is corn production, we pay 10 billion dollars for farmers to grow more corn than we need (in tax money). We are basically paying farmers to grow a crop we don’t completely need while our costs of food goes up. This makes no sense.

      Also, The more government agencies/jobs we create the less revenue we get. For every government agency we make, the more taxpayer money is used, the fewer revenues. You are basically paying more and more taxes to have these agencies take more and more of that money. It is not sustainable to create jobs using tax money, what would be sustainable is creating jobs that produce a product for people to buy which creates a tax revenue in sales taxes. Subsidies should not exist on any level, education is going down hill because of “race to the top” and Kennedy’s “No Child Left Behind” that Bush should have vetoed. Race to the top says the better your schools do in standardized testing the more money you get. Well, what schools are going to do the best? the rich schools that have little limit on what they can afford because they get a nice chunk for having built their school district in the richest part of the state/town (look at how the Chicago districts are divided up for instance where you have rich residents going to the best school by bus and their poorer neighbors going to a significantly different school that has less wealth. There are a lot of fat in our taxes we can cut and should cut. Also, those earmarks need to go, and our senators and representatives need to pay closer attention to the additives in bills they pass, giving the government free 10 billion dollars to do whatever they want with is ridiculous and we’re paying for it. The analogy about how the tax system works is accurate on some levels. People need to educate themselves and realize that both sides have good and bad sides and to figure out what each individual stands for and determine if that is something that they believe in and to stop letting party lines be the deciding factors in their votes.

    • Vanessa Callahan

      Wrong, go look at the government budget in the early 70′s, the poverty rate was actually the lowest during the time of the rich and corporations paying their fair share, strong unions, and expansive safety nets.
      http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/#3

    • John Giles, how odd that you don’t know that during America’s golden ages–the 1940s, 50s and 60s–the tax rate on the richest Americans was over 80% and at one time, 91% in the 1950s. Look it up. Yet, during this period, American prosperity, for the middle class at least, was growing in leaps and bounds. Now, since the Reagan 80s, taxes have been getting lower and lower for the wealthy and the middle class wages have stagnated and their fortunes have dwindled. How extraordinary.

  • i am a republican, the problem to me is not that we actually pay all of these taxes but who is actually receiving these taxes. i don’t mind paying taxes but do we need all of the programs the government has? also the programs we do need, do we as individuals have to pay that much tax for that program? another problem i have is the oversight of the programs. does everyone we have on welfare (for example), really need to be on welfare? yes we need to pay taxes and have most of these programs but lets have more oversight on these programs to weed out the people who can work but are just using the system for free money.

    • No, lee, not everyone who is on welfare needs to be on it. But that includes the Big Oil companies, the Banks, Wall Street, and every company like GE, ADM and on and on – all of these “persons” who get money out of thin air from the government, with NO qualifications, no income limits, no asset tests, no questions asked. The money that’s spent on corp. welfare amounts to 4 times what we spend on social safety nets.

      People who receive assistance are scrutinized to the minutest detail of their lives. Bank accounts, assets, what kind of car they drive, where they live, what they have in their homes… and the people who do the checking are trained to do this. The system works. It doesn’t work as well as it could, but I think it’s good that we have it there. And I’m perfectly happy to spend $1.00 a day to help my neighbor. Why so many Repubs grind their teeth about that and say NOTHING at ALL about corporate welfare is exactly what bewilders me.

      • @ ROFL – Amen!
        As a recent recipient of ‘assistance’ (previously were a comfortably middle-class family of 5, we lost jobs due to lay-offs & corporate cut-backs), I can tell you that it seems very difficult to scam the system. I had to provide documentation for EV-ER-Y-THING. They do scrutinize all assets, as you list. Then, we’re only approved for a few months and must reapply (with new scrutiny) or you simply get cut off.

        I am extremely grateful for this assistance, as we were completely blind-sided and are actively seeking ways to improve our situation. I, like most I’ve spoken to, are not proud of having to take ‘welfare’. It’s embarrassing, demeaning, and barely enough to keep us afloat. I look forward to not requiring this help to take care of my family any longer. Can’t wait until I never have to stand in line at the JFS again. I am certain I’m not a rarity in this situation.

      • moullineaux

        Well said, very well said.

    • I am a liberal, but agree with many of your comments. I absolutely agree that there should be oversight as to the usage of tax dollars and who has access to funds. However, that also requires tax money – to fund those agencies and employees who would analyze and regulate the dispensing and usage of government dollars. I suggest they start by looking into government contractors – defense, infrastructure, etc. – who frankly seem to run around with a blank checkbook.

      “also the programs we do need, do we as individuals have to pay that much tax for that program?”
      Who else do you propose should pay, if not individuals? My proposal would be that corporations should also pay taxes, but Republicans block that measure every step of the way.

    • Ric Sharette

      Funny that a rebublican would suggest more oversight… It’s kinda like asking for further regulation isn’t it?

    • Oversight is enforcement of regulations and the rigor that is applied is highly political.

    • Ah, the John Q. Public method of paranoia, I see.

      Yes, government programs are the problem… and not the over half of the budget we’re giving to the military and letting the private contractors steal right?

      But yeah, the poor are always to blame for society’s ills, and the old. Never the rich and the violent.

  • Good list, but it’s a faulty argument to suggest that people who hate taxes shouldn’t use these services. They’ve already paid the taxes for them. If they were given the choice to not pay for these services it would be a better argument.

    • This is pretty simple: if no one paid taxes from today forward, the services would cease to exist. On the flip side, if taxes had never existed, we would not enjoy the results of them today (medical advancements, etc.). So if the idea is that we shouldn’t have to pay taxes, then those people who feel that strongly might as well stop using the services our tax dollars have purchased and those we still do pay for and see how it works.

      OR this article is a rhetorical argument meant to make people realize that nothing in life is free, and that you can’t have everything you want (security, education, protected land, better healthcare) without paying something for it.

      And those government programs that some people don’t use and therefore would rather not pay for? Well, I don’t live in an area affected by hurricanes, so I don’t need those services, but I’m glad to pay for them because I don’t want people to die or lose their homes and livelihoods. And I do live in an area that experiences tornadoes, and I hope that others are willing to give money to support us as well. It’s called a social contract, and for the party of family values, it’s shocking how willing they are to cut off aid to anyone less fortunate than them.

  • It is always amusing to me those who start a sentence with “Not to nit pick (or pick nits)…” when that is exactly what the person is doing. If you must begin a sentence with a false qualification, just get rid of the qualification and say what you mean, “Great article, but I can’t help but play English instructor here…” Because that is really what you mean, isn’t it?

  • John Lawlor

    Don’t buy anything that is measured and the measuring device is inspected and certified by the government… such as gasoline fuel pumps.

  • Seriously? Half that stuff the government shouldn’t be involved in. The private sector could do it better if only Uncle Sam wasn’t taking the chunk he does. Half of what’s left is local small-fry stuff the federal government shouldn’t be involved in. Cut all that crap out and I’ll happily pay the (much smaller) taxes for a military, police, fire depts, justice system, roads, contract enforcement, etc.

    • Is that why Halliburton overcharged for services? They made 4.2 BILLION dollars from the US taxpayers. How much of that was unnecessary? How much padding the books was there?

      Thinking that a private enterprise could do a better and cheaper job than the gov. is delusional. The sign industry has a motto I like: You can have it your way. You get to choose 2 of these three options:
      1. Good
      2. Fast
      3. Cheap
      Republicans think they can choose all 3 options. It just doesn’t work that way in business (which is, by DESIGN, intended to make a profit over and above what the actual cost is)

      • badunkadrunk

        Netflix… good, fast, and cheap. :)

      • The private sector exists for ONE reason – to make a profit. The government provides services to citizens which should not be profit-driven. The private sector has no interest in anything the government does that can’t generate a profit, and anything they want to touch that the government does, will cost much more. So there should be a broad separation between the private sector and the government.

    • Yeah, right. It was when the defense contractors took over from the government that we started seeing $600 hammers and $5,000 coffee pots in the Pentagon and overrun costs in the tens of billions for a program that had been projected to cost only a couple hundred million dollars. I’d much rather the government paid for the interstate highway system than have national pathways of corporate toll roads soaking me every few miles with the price going up exponentially every time I turned my head.

  • Are you kidding me? Most right wingers can’t read this.

  • Nice thought, but a lot of those listings can be argued against as far as their relative benefit…

  • Renee M. Parker

    If the GOP Teahadists obey the above limitations based on their belief that government and taxes are intrusive, quite a few will end up dead. Not a bad idea…a little bleach in the gene pool every now and then is a very good thing.

  • Donna-Lee Phillips

    Not to pick nits, but it should be “a Republican WHO hates taxes”, not “a Republican THAT hates taxes”. I’ve copied and printed the whole list… which I’ll share with friends and adversaries alike. Thank you for the good work.

    • JanetMermaid

      Donna, normally I’d agree with you except “who” is used in cases of actual human beings, and we all know that RepubliCONS aren’t actually human, or at least they have no soul, so in this case “that” is the better choice.

  • Great list. The repubs/cons will only dimiss this as not applying to them because they are real Americans and it is everyone else that are the useless eaters that don’t deserve anything,no matter what, or how much they contribute. It is always about greed and self-serving excuses. They are the most despicable of creatures.

    • righthandman

      Conservatives don’t mind paying taxes, we just mind paying all of them.

      Enjoy the simple explanation, if you can. I read all of your dribble, read ours.

      “Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

      the first four men, the poorest, would pay nothing;
      the fifth would pay $1;
      the sixth would pay $3;
      the seventh would pay $7;
      the eighth pays $12;
      the ninth would pay $18;
      and the tenth man, the richest, would pay $59.
      “That’s what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

      “‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I am going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20. So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

      “The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six–the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’

      “The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay:

      as before, the first four men paid nothing;
      now the fifth man also paid nothing;
      the sixth man now paid $2;
      the seventh paid $5;
      the eighth man paid $9;
      the ninth man paid $12;
      leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.
      Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

      “But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. ‘I only got a dollar out of the $20 reduction,’ declared the sixth man, but he, pointing to the tenth. ‘But he got $7!’. ‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man, ‘I only saved a dollar too; it’s unfair that he got seven times more than me!’

      ‘”That’s true,’ shouted the seventh man, ‘why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!. ‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison, ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’

      “The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn’t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were now Fifty-Two Dollars short of paying the bill. Imagine that!

      And that, boys and girls, journalists, and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.”

      • Um realize that they are all eating the SAME dinner in your little analogy. This is very flawed..we are not in a position of 100 dollar dinner now costing 20 dollars, that would imply a surplus. We aren’t in a surplus we are in a deficit! FAIL.

      • Jon Bon Jovi

        I’ve read your quaint little explanation before.

        The difference is that the man paying the majority of the bill isn’t just getting money back. He’s also being told not to pay his portion of the bill AT ALL, and leave it to all the other men to make up.

        When you’re going to make a cute little reference to class warfare as the undeserving underclassmen attacking their monetary superiors out of little more than jealousy, don’t omit the most important detail.

        But whatever. Nobody can convince you of anything other than your own truthiness, so go right ahead and keep bending over to let the man who WAS paying the majority of the bill give to you in the rear for daring to be upset when he stops ponying up his share.

      • There’s another flaw in the analogy: The restaurant owner isn’t reducing the price of the meal, it still costs $100. He’s saying that the ten men can pay for $20 of it later – and not telling them who will have to come up with the money. Next week they postpone another $20 of the bill so they owe $40 to the restaurant. At the end of a year, they owe over $1,000, and no one wants to pay it.

        It’s odd that although some people argue that lower taxes make for a healthier economy, we can see that the economy has gotten less healthy as tax rates have fallen. I suppose you could argue that it would be even worse if they hadn’t. Except that historically, since the income tax was implemented, lower tax rates almost invariably coincide with a dip in GDP.

        When you look at microeconomic behavior, that makes sense: when faced with a higher tax bill, a businessman reinvests his/her profits in the business to avoid paying taxes, I know: I’m a tax preparer, and I get calls every December asking how much tax my clients would save by reinvesting instead of taking the money out. If the tax bill is high, they buy equipment or hire employees. If not, they go on vacation instead.

        For the record, I favor smaller government but a balanced budget – and balancing the budget with the current level of revenue would indeed set us back to the dark ages. It would fund defense and security, Social Security (which is currently more than solvent though not likely to stay that way), Congressional and executive salaries and the IRS, and interest on the debt. All other expenses, from highways to FDA, EPA to farm and oil subsidies, school lunches to the National Weather Service, national parks to nuclear power subsidies, would go by the wayside. No unemployment, no CDC, no levies on the Mississippi River, no student loans. Nothing except the bare minimum (and a bloated security budget) is currently paid for, the rest is all on credit.

        If we want any of that stuff, someone has to pay for it eventually.

        • Where did you get the idea that “The restaurant owner isn’t reducing the price of the meal, it still costs $100?”
          The story said the owner only charged them $80. In other words, rather than charging each man $10, he was only charging them $8.

      • republiCONS_suck

        Ummm. . .nice analogy, there. But you forgot the part where the richest man is also getting a profit, or a subsidy, or a “tax break” while eating at that particular restaurant. So he will continue to eat there because he actually makes money off of it. And he will earn a profit from it while he bitches about everyone else using the restaurant for free. I’d rather give a free meal to someone who needs it than a more expensive payment to someone who doesn’t. Rich people get handouts, too. But they call them subsidies because it mnakes them feel better. Tom-a-toe/tom-ah-toe. Either way, the middle class are paying for both ends of the spectrum.

      • And it’s “drivel,” not “dribble.” You would be more persuasive in this or ANY argument if you could use the English language properly, though I’m sure clear communication is not much of a priority for you.

      • You are also forgetting to mention that the first 5 men are eating boxed mac & cheese, sharing the box among them.
        The 6th & 7th get a couple hot dogs and bag of chips each.
        The 8th & 9th get a meal – maybe chicken and mashed potatoes.
        Meanwhile, the 10th guy is dining on surf & turf made by a celebrity chef. And, getting kick-backs and subsidies, ultimately profiting from the deal, as mentioned in previous replies.

        Really, take a genuine look around, see the true picture. Yes, there are some poor taking advantage of the system, but many have little other option right now. If the systems (tax, welfare, etc) were just simplified, the burden would be spread more evenly, and it would be much easier to put a stop to the exploitation on both ends of the spectrum.

        • John Q. Public

          SOME taking advantage? On what planet are you living? If you had any clue as to what is going on in the real world, it would be clear to you that a huge portion of people on welfare are scamming the system for all they can grab. The welfare class is, by an large, the largest contingent of legitimized thieves in the USA.

          • John Q. Public – that’s a typical fearmongering reaction from the general public (as taught by a certain subsection of bullying politician) that has little basis in reality.

            The poor are not our enemy.

          • zippy the clown

            Just remember, JQP, the republicans put over 8 million people out of work in 2 years time by rescinding regulation of the financial industry – don’t blame those people for their situation. Oh, but, gee, thats exactly what you’re doing.

          • John Q. the biggest welfare queens are the corporations, Wall Street and the defense contractors. Don’t get your panties in a twist about the poor. The poor didn’t bring the economy crashing to it’s knees in ’08.

      • Wow, you’re an idiot.

        Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

      • They were showing up to the table just fine back when they were paying a much more fair rate and before these few people owned such a huge percentage of the national wealth.

      • moullineaux

        Hey, I have a better idea. Everybody, and I mean everybody who works pays a percentage, whatever that percentage may be. IF everyone pays 15% then everyone pays 15%, or whatever percentage is required to cover our roads, police, fire, defense, etc. NO loopholes, no tax breaks, no anything. Everybody pays the same percentage. Make a billion dollars, pay the percentage, make $12,000.00, pay the percentage. It seems to me that the problem is not who gets the most from the tax exemptions etc., it’s the fact that some people don’t even pay. Make everybody pay? If you are physically/mentally able to work, then you pay the percentage, no excuses. This way everyone has a stake. You don’t need thousands of pages to explain the tax code, it would be one page. You pay this percentage.

        • That is probably the smartest thing that anyone has ever said. I have heard it said before now & I hope to see it after now. If only “We” would get it done. It’s so logical, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be.

      • Nosferotica

        Yeah, rich people pay out so much don’t they? Joe billion dollars a year may pay out millions in taxes but he still has billions left over as a result. When you make barely 20k gross and net barely 10k (which most people do, and that is slightly more than minimum wage) that’s a lot of money to miss over the course of the year. Also take into account that you have to go so deep into debt in hopes to get ahead with no guarantee you’ll even make it there, 46% may stay exactly where they are economically while 6% will make it to the upper percentile.

        That is how great the divide is between the rich and the poor. It’s exactly why I scoff at one presidential candidate calling the other an elitist, when only the elite can even become president.

        Do you have any idea how hard I was laughing when John McCain, a man who doesn’t have any clue how many houses he owned during a time foreclosures where going up hand over fist, pointed a finger at Obama and declared him an elitist?

        Theoretically, John McCain could get evicted 6 TIMES and STILL have a house to live in.

        Given the global footprint the Elite may have, I wonder if that’s how much money they pay GLOBALLY in taxes, not just to the United States.

      • Cherilyndria

        but the question remains to be seen, why would they agree to this original agreement, here’s the part they don’t tell you in this cute little story

        man 1-4 is poor, so they come in every day and order water,

        the 5th man orders toast that is 75 cents

        man 6 orders a single sandwich, which is $2 80

        the 7th has turkey and gravy for $6 85

        the 8th gets the turkey and gravy too, but also gets the soup and salad for $4 95 more, so now hes at 11 80

        the 9th orders shrimp linguine extra shrimp for 17 65, they all round up and the guy that orders steak lobster and fried shrimp agrees to the rest of the bill of 59 when his meal really cost 60 15, over the time of a yr, hes saved almost $400, the moral of my story, unlike yours that has a far fetched one, is although he has the sob story of paying the most every day, he’s actually getting the best deal (like General Electric, that had a revenue of billions of dollars, but because of specialized tax cuts, actually instead of paying taxes, received billions back)

        Why am I spending 10-15% of my check on taxes and have to move back in with my parents becasue I can’t afford rent, when they are getting back 75%?!?

        Now I know that if they paid $0 on taxes, it would only be about 50 cents off my taxes, but id feel a lot better knowing thtat they have to put something in the big ole’ pot too!

        • The meal cost $100 a day for these men. The story does not say they did or did not eat the same meal. I took it to mean that basically it cost $10 each like maybe a hamburger, french fries,& drink. What it is trying to show is that the person most able to pay, paid the most. After those actually benefiting the most by paying nothing or very little of the $10 or $8 complained so much the one paying the most decided he did not need this crap and quit coming to their meal. If you look at the tax brackets, the one making the most is actually paying the most. Look at earned income credit – you can get $1 – $3000 back because you worked, but didn’t make what the government thinks is a decent living to support your family. The rich man is paying for this $3000 because he makes what the government thinks is more than enough to support his family. The rich man stops working because he does not want to pay that much in taxes, so the government does not have the $3000 to help the lower income family. Does this explain it for you morons?

      • Gene in L.A.

        I don’t know anyone who expects to get money BACK when the price of something they regularly buy goes down BEFORE their next purchase of it. Your reasoning is bogus. Prorating who pays what still works out, even if another lowest level is exempted because of the change.

    • I am a republican, and I believe in paying my taxes. For that matter, my father, brother, best friend, and her entire family are all Republicans as well, and we all believe in paying our taxes. However, we also understand that big business, (which you all seem to disregard as being a key aspect of our economy and revenue), is a necessity in order to enable people to have job security. Tax breaks are given to big business, so that they can provide their employees with benefits, and pay them decent wages, in which they can afford to support their families with. Yes, big business does put several mom and pop shops out of business, but how many of you are employed by a mom and pop shop? Unless you are family, probably none of you. Big business can provide jobs for hundreds of thousands to million of people, where mom and pop shops only employ their own family members, or the occasional illegal immigrant for far below minimum wage. I would put money on it that all of you opposing the concept that our taxes are a necessary part of living a comfortable life support big business, whether you choose to admit to it or not. What shoes are on your feet? NIKE? Reebok? Sketchers? Candies? Guess what? They are big business. What fast food do you eat? McDonalds? Burger King? Wendy’s? All big business, and these companies listed are just a small fraction of the big business corporations, which YOU ALL use, and have a need for. The reason these companies are given tax breaks is due to the fact that they produce the most revenue for our economy. They provide jobs to millions of people as well as providing consumers with reasonably priced (in demand) products.

      • Completely agree with you and I’m a Republican also that pays my taxes all the time. I’m not against paying taxes, I’m against those perfectly healthy people on SSS or some government program that don’t pay taxes and don’t work. It aggravates me that while I’m at work they are fishing or swimming or just sitting around the house watching TV while I work and pay their way too. If a person actually needs the service, I’m OK with it because that was what it was started for, but too many people take advantage of these programs.

  • Would you care to indicate which are STATE, which are LOCAL, and which are FEDERAL-based tax benefits?

    I’ve spoken to some conservatives, and they do like to differentiate between the three. They’re not so opposed to the first and second, but are (as we all know) adamantly opposed to the third tier.

    • It does not appear to matter to the author, nor to me, which branch of government provides the service. Regardless of which branch these conservatives you talk to dislike most they have to stop using services from any. Why do they think they get to pick. They can’t drive on a county road, they can’t breath federally mandated clean air and they can’t call a city cop.

    • This is a debate on ALL levels of government. And we, the people are the losers. All of the conservatives are looking to save thier tax dollars at any level at all. But they do not realize they money has to come from somewhere.

  • Jay Freeman

    If I agree and opt out of all the things on that list, will you people leave me alone?

    http://freedomain.blogspot.com/2006/11/gun-in-room.html

  • The US Postal Service is NOT paid for by Federal Tax dollars. They have a charter from the government, but they are self-supporting.

    Had the government shut down, mail would still have been collected, transported, and delivered. People would have learned something…

    • You are actually quite wrong. The USPO posted $8 and $7 billion dollars in losses in the past two years. It is true that it is *suppose* to run on it’s own, but it gets loans from the federal gov’t to pay for its losses. Since the federal gov’t spends more than it brings in with taxes, it in turn needs to issue T-bonds to be able to make the loans to the USPO. Taxes will be needed in the future to pay back the borrowed money that was lend to the USPO.

      If the federal gov’t did not make these loans to the USPO would either run out of money before the end of the year, stop delivering mail 1 additional day of the week, or cut wages and employee benefits. This is very probably going to happen soon, and I expect the USPO workers to try to strike to keep their compensation benefits.

      • JACK CHATHAM

        Business models change. Subsidised or otherwise. I recieve almost NO mail. usually FROm government agencies where online notification is not an option.

      • Rebecca Mahdik

        Mike, there are many things of which you are unaware. The Post office ran on its own for many, many years – and the gov’t “got into this money” periodically. The Post office was a government institution, providing sanctity of the mail for Americans. It provided many services – some which made money, others which worked at a loss – example – when you move, all your mail gets forwarded for free. The out of the way farmers, had a right to receive and send mail, from their farms. The elderly and handicapped, also were provided their options. When your mail was damaged, it was fixed, by hand – I know, I worked in that kind of station. Every effort was made to find all the pieces. If someone mistakenly put something in the mail they wanted back – all efforts were made to find that one piece of mail. The public is unaware how hard these postal people worked – in ALL weathers. When winter storms came, and people are warned off the roads, and most other places close down – post office people are still expected to go to work, because the public – no matter what the storm, still expects their mail that day, and the mail they put into the system, to get out. Consequently, over many years, the post office struggled to maintain a balance to get out of the red – and these hard working employees also accepted losses, as the post office functioned without tax dollars. If it was to be a go – the employees had to make it happen. On or about 17 years ago, which much planning, effort and hard work ,the postal system finally made a big profit: The headlines were – Post Office made 2 billion in profit for the year! Then, suddenly, it was hushed. A new kind of postmaster general was appointed, rather then working up from the ranks. Laws began to come into play – certain high ups wanted the post office “privatized” – big money was invested into making it happen. Changing the PO from an institution to a “business” – functioning under business laws. And to be a business, entered in the private sector competition. ONLY – the private sector wanted only the cream – the money makers – they wanted nothing to do with all the public services that might actually cost them something. I long and tiring agenda, put into place, one level at a time, broke down the American postal service, to pass the profit to private companies. Of course – it was planned a long time ago. Eventually – the losses of the postal service would pass onto their employees, and of course, to the taxpayer. Over these years of breaking the postal service, the employees suffered more. Their jobs became harder, the benefits became smaller and smaller, as did the retirement, medical – everything. They still had to work weekends – and the hope of working hard enough for enough years, to get weekends off – once attained, were taken away, as more and more was slashed. Work injuries run rampant. It turned more and more into a thankless job, and the American public isn’t even aware of the loss of the sanctity of their mail. The postal service employees and the tax payers have suffered much, due to the slow and eventual take over. YES – just as planned, the taxpayers will foot the bill, for this yet another big business, planned agenda, corporate take over.

    • Fiona Mackenzie

      The post office department is deep in debt and will be reducing services.

      • How much of a rate increase will the market bear? I feel sure a private corporation would raise rates – but I guess you all figure the postal workers make too much money – but CEO’s can go hog wild – that to me is a logical nightmare!

      • @ Fiona Mackenzie…FYI, Postal Service is not funded by tax dollars since the early 1970′s, after the Postal Reformation Act. Postal Service is exclusively funded by the public using its service.

    • And the USPS would like to shut down some 3500 post offices and cut back to providing services only 5 days a week, among other cost-cutting measures such as layoffs, in a desperate attempt to reduce their debt and stay in business. Perhaps we should go back to subsidizing them with tax dollars if we want to retain their services. We can’t have it both ways.

      • I quite agree. I’ve worked for the USPS for sixteen years and I’ve seen the way the old business model has failed with the changing times. I think it’s time to admit that a self-supporting universal postal service is no longer a feasible option, and roll it back into a government department that can receive tax-dollar support. It will save the consumers money, and it will avoid putting many thousands of postal workers on unemployment.

  • End Corporate Welfare

    It is any government spending program that provides unique benefits or advantages to specific companies or industries, to the detriment of competing companies. Governments often tout corporate welfare as “economic development” or “increased employment.”

    However, when it causes competing companies to lay off employees or go out of business, employment is not increased, and the lack of competition encourages prices to increase.

    • Give us an example of a business that failed because of gov’t giving advantages to a competitor.

      • We don’t know which entrepreneurs would have filled the void had we not bailed out Chrysler, which had failed because it kept churning out huge, gas-guzzling luxury cars, but my guess is we’d have had an American car company manufacturing greener cars a lot sooner if we’d let that dinosaur die a natural death.

        • The American auto industry produced gas guzzling SUVs and other such vehicles because that is what consumers wanted and that is what sold. Their smaller more fuel efficient vehicles were not big sellers. Had Chrysler and GM folded no entrepreneurs would have likely come forward to replace them. The void would have been filled by Toyota, Honda, etc. The automotive industry would require far too much capital for a new start up – unless it had major corporate backing of some sort behind it. Also, Chrysler was not and is not the producer of the worst gas guzzlers of the US auto makers. Most of those SUVs and big trucks our there are either from Ford or GM – remember GM’s Hummer? Had GM and Chrysler completely gone under the ripple effect – parts suppliers closing down b/c of the lose of that business from GM and Chrysler, etc. would have been “interesting” to say the least.

          • Nosferotica

            Need I remind you the day of the SUV was in the mid to late 90s, maybe even the early 00s, when gas was below/started to rise above 2.00 a gallon. Those days don’t exist anymore.

            The demand wasn’t so much for the gas guzzling SUVs, but their ego strokes/family toting vehicles. I don’t think they minded so much the mpg because gas was still relatively inexpensive.

      • The pony express immediately comes to mind. The interstate highway system did a lot to put many railroads out of business by making it cheaper to use long distance trucking and by diminishing passenger service because automobiles were a cheaper and more convenient alternative for shorter intercity trips.

        • Love it when facts get in the way of our beliefs.

          • @ grant
            Posted May 19, 2011 at 9:25 PM
            Love it when facts get in the way of our beliefs.
            Read the entire exchange…*smh*, and I couldn’t agree with you more!

        • That happened due to the auto makers and oil companies buying up and dismantling public transportation, which we once HAD and lobbying for the interstate highway system, so we would be forced to buy cars and oil. Unfortunately, it worked – and now we have very little public transportation. So most of us are forced to own cars and pay for gas and insurance in order to get to work, and those who can’t afford it are stuck in whatever jobs that they can somehow manage to get to.

          • Gene in L.A.

            As far as I know, every major city and many smaller ones have public transit. “Very little” where, pray tell? No one is forced to own cars.

            • Oh, come on, Gene. Apparently all you know is major cities and smaller cities, still considered large by small town standards. There are hundreds, even thousands of towns across America where you can’t have a meaningful existence without a car. Even in small cities with public transportation, if your job or schedule matches the times they run public transit, you’re fine, but some don’t run at night. Others only cover certain areas of town. I live in a small rural town where many years ago, not only was there local public transit, but there was public transportation that ran to nearby towns and cities two or three times a day or more. The only public transport now in town is for seniors and disabled people, not for the overall public.

      • Cold Fusion, Solar Panels, Newer wind farms ie multiple blades like certain jet engines, newer and cheaper fuel for cars, like the ones the oil gas companies have bought the patents for stopping production. All to give oil and gas subsidies that could have gone into all of the above. Thats just one industry. Do you want another one?

      • John Q. Public

        Lehman Brothers is but one of countless examples.

      • Fjc – any small farm. Several coal companies. Thousands of small publishing houses. Any airline that failed in the last 30 years. And so on…

        Tax breaks and subsidies to conglomerates harms small independent operations. Mega-corps already have an advantage with economies of scale. Throw in subsidies and tax breaks, and small businesses can’t compete.

      • Maddie Maitland

        In my town alone, many businesses–including a K-Mart–went out of business after a Super Wal-Mart opened. The city provided Wal-Mart with all sorts of freebies, including a new 4-lane road and permission to build atop a protected wetland. And that’s just one measly example. There’s not enough room on the Internet to list all of the businesses that have gone under as a result of corporate welfare being awarded to particular businesses.

      • Ask any small-town, small business owner who was run out of business because the city/county government gave Walmart all sorts of tax breaks that they wouldn’t extend to the business owners who had been there for decades.

      • I live in a once predominantly steel and glass manufacturing town in Western Pa.. The lack of tariffs on imported Japanese steel, an advantage to the competitor, made it imposible for these companies to keep up. Everybody bought the cheaper and inferior Japanese steel. Plants laid people off, reduced production and struggled. People started moving away to different parts of the country to get jobs. Then the tariffs were imposed and they got tax breaks in order to invest in equipment, hire people and become productive again. The trickle down economics didn’t work then, because of greed. and most of these companies just kept the money and ran. Kinda like today!

      • The lack of tariffs on imported Japanese steel, an advantage to the competitor, drove a lot of steel companies out of business. Without these tariffs, every one, including American Auto manufacturers, bought the cheaper and inferior Japanese steel. The end result was devastation to the steel manufacturing in this country.

      • My father, in the 1960′s told me of a friend of his that was sold a car with a carbourator that made his car go about a hundred miles a gallon. The comapany wanted to buy it back, he refused. The best they could do was make him sign a contract that he couldn’t sell the car to anyone but them. I’ve heard from several sources that the majority of our gas is wasted in the distribution system of the cars motor. The technology has been here for over 40 years. But the interests have put a legal lock on it for more than that long.

  • John Bolton

    Thank You for posting….should make us all think

  • John Bolton

    Who ever put this all together…Thank you…Makes us all think

    • exactly what i have been saying … but then, I teach at a public university.

      • John Q. Public

        So what you are saying is that your livelihood depends on the forcible expropriation of other peoples’ monies.

        May I take it that it is your belief that you are entitled to these stolen funds?

        • Vanessa Callahan

          So may I assume you do not take advantage of anything mentioned above?
          If you want anarchy and no taxes John Q, go find yourself an island somewhere, or go to Mexico where taxes are low. Then you can keep your money.

          • Actually John Q, I would recommend Somalia for tough-guy capitalists, hardly any government at all to get in your way of making as much money as possible.

          • John Q. Public

            You respond with a statement that holds no connection to the question I posed. Your nonsequitur is so noted.

            How silly of me to think there might be an adult exchange in which to engage.

            • Deborah Loeb

              So you don’t believe that you should have to pay for any of these services? That you are entitled to them?

              • I’m sure you already knew this and are just being willfully ignorant but…

                The argument is that a post-stamp should cost the full price of sending a letter. Or that a highway toll (or gas tax) should cost the full price of maintaining the road infrastructure.

        • Indie Centrist

          @ John Q. Public and anyone else who thinks he is right. You are living in a fantasy world if you think that every red blooded American will just voluntarily give money to support any or all of the items on this list. Government serves a purpose for the collectie good of the people who consent to be governed. If you no longer consent to that then try Columbia or Mexico or Russia or Pakistan. See how well you do there without a government that functions for the best interests of its people. Our government is not perfect and certainly needs reform but you “libertarian” paradise would only serve the needs of an elite oligarchy, not the needs of the people.

          • John Q. Public

            Please cite the morally authoritative basis that requires I move away from my home in order that I not be subjected to force. A hint: “collective good” is not it. :)

            • @John Q. Public Article 1: Sections 2 and 8 and the Sixteenth Amendment authorize the collection of taxes. Specifically, “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States” The issue is not the collection of taxes but the appropriate amount of taxation, the level of spending, and what is purchased with the money collected. I don’t think any reasonable person is against taxes (I hope not!), but probably against what they consider excessive taxation. One may argue against “high” tax rates, but there are examples of countries with higher tax rates that have higher standards of living than our own (I’m not implying direct causation). My point is that taxes are not “stolen funds”. “Livelihood” by the way has always been derived by the individuals in the culture contributing to the whole.

            • John Q. Public – do you know why the country collapsed under the Articles of Confederation? Right, because they couldn’t collect taxes.

              Nobody likes taxes but this is one of the sacrifices you make in order to have a measure of security and stability.

              So what is your point?

            • Errr…. the moral authority is that civilisation comes at a price. That price is taxes. If you don’t want to pay what it costs to be a citizen in a civilised country then go to an uncivilised one and pay nothing! It is your choice. There is your freedom.

            • So you’re waiting for corporations to take over so you can pay them instead? Because they’re so responsible?

        • Jane Q. Public

          Yes. As does yours. Would you prefer to live in a country where none of the listed services are not provided? I didn’t think so.

        • Stop your selfcentered bitching and own up to your fair share. It’s a total privilege and an honor to participate in the great life in America and a great joy to say “I helped make this.”. You want less Government? MOVE TO NIGERIA!!!

        • Reichties are Clueless

          So may I assume you do not take advantage of anything mentioned above?

          I hear Mexico has very low taxes and a very good drug trade as well…..

          It seems that with low taxes and a rag tag police dept. you would be in the right place…What with all of the Drug Cartels that pay off the Police…..

        • Cherilyndria

          Well technically sir, everyones “livelihood depends on the forcible expropriation of other peoples’ monies” since no business owner actually wants to pay their employees, and no one wants to have to pay for the goods and services of the business owner

          You have just fallen prey to that stereotype going around that all tachers are evil because they want what was promised to them (tell me you wouldn’t be just as aggrevated if your boss tried cutting your benefits) but we will still send our children to them every day, if you are going to preach that people like the teachers and correctional officers are robbing us blind, then start preaching that parents quit their jobs to home school their kids and we close down all the prisons and just let the felons go free

        • >>So what you are saying is that your livelihood depends on the forcible expropriation of other peoples’ monies.

          No, what we’re saying is that YOUR LIFE & LIVELIHOOD depend on people paying taxes.

          As the Father of Capitalism, Adam Smith said:

          “Every tax, however, is, to the person who pays it, a badge, not of slavery, but of liberty.”

          Maybe they really want to patriotic, but how can co==someone be a patriot when they seek to destroy our government?

        • I’m surprised your middle initial isn’t M…for moron.

        • Wow, John Q. Public, that’s some original cowardice, using that moniker. Now, kindly take a paper money note out of your pocket. Look at the top. What does it say? If it says “First National Bank of John Q. Public”, then it’s entirely your money and not worth the paper it’s printed on. It’s probably also a federal felony called forgery and you should sit tight for the Secret Service (U.S. Treasury Department) come and take you away. The money we Americans use has a nice banner at the top that says FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE. THAT makes it the GOVERNMENT’S MONEY and we just let you play with it. Money belongs to the government and it’s that government’s way of paying for stuff. Now, if you don’t want the government to do anything for you, feel free to follow the advice others gave you and take a slow boat to Somalia. We DEEP Patriots have no use for you CHEAP “patriots”. You have no idea what America is about. Now scram!

        • No, what it’s saying is you don’t have permission to use these services if you don’t help pay for them. If you use them and don’t help pay for these things YOU are stealing.

        • Van Cromwell

          You sound like one of those folks who wouldn’t loan their own mother a dime if she fell on hard times.

        • Keith Cronin

          Without taxes there would be no government. Without government there wouldn’t be a standardized monetary system. Then there wouldn’t be any money to “steal” and we’d be living like African tribesmen.

          So are you saying you’d rather we live like savages instead of pay taxes? Then find some land, form your own country, and live like that. When somebody tries to kill you and take it, you’ll wish you had some form of government and taxes as you lie there dying, wishing you had police protection.

          The rest of us like a more civilized, modern lifestyle. We shouldn’t be forced to live in the Hell your own choosing.

        • {So what you are saying is that your livelihood depends on the forcible expropriation of other peoples’ monies.

          May I take it that it is your belief that you are entitled to these stolen funds?}

          Gee, I love it with people with fake names like “John Q. Public” say such idiotic things like that in a public forum like this. I guess he mistook it for a comedy club!

        • Tell ya what, if you can abjour all of these benifits, go to it.

    • So your arguments are “If you don’t want to pay taxes, you are not entitled to take advantage of any of the above items, and should be forced to move to Nigeria and/or Somalia”
      What comment then do you have for the 47% of Americans that pay no taxes? By your own argument, they should be forced to move to Somalia or start paying taxes.

      • or is it “If you don’t want to pay taxes, AND your a REPUBLICAN, then you should not be allowed to take advantage of the above items and should be forced to move to Somalia”?

      • @kewlbigdan

        You are completely misinformed about 47% of Americans not paying their taxes. It is 47% of Americans that did not OWE any income taxes for the 2009 tax year, because they received enough tax CREDITS, that they did not owe federal income taxes. Income taxes are not the only federal taxes people pay, not to mention state and local taxes. In addition, the reason 47% of Americans did not owe federal income taxes, is because we are in a recession. 13.9 million Americans are unemployed, and many more do not earn enough money to keep up with the every growing cost of living. Everyone pays taxes. Anything you purchase from a store or business is taxed, and therefore, you are paying taxes, which contributes to ALL the many resources listed above.

      • 47% of Americans pay no taxes? Surely you jest. Even when we were young parents making minimum wage before I went into the Marines, we paid taxes on clothes, gasoline, utilities, groceries, and just about everything else we bought. Now, as a medically retired military officer, I live off the taxpayer dole, having lost limbs and organs in Fallujah serving in the military that protects the freedoms of deadbeats like you and John Q that think you shouldn’t have to pay for them.

        • @ Taz

          Exactly, we pay taxes on everything we purchase, and I will gladly continue to pay my taxes to ensure the safety and welfare of the American citizens. Thank you, for your service and your sacrifice, even if some people do not appreciate it. Bless you and yours, and I wish you a wonderful independence holiday weekend. Thank you, for my FREEDOM!

          • While I am just fine with my tax money helping Tax, how exactly did he do anything that helped you retain your freedom? Iraq was a needless, illegal, and immoral war, and your freedom has never been threatened by anyone but your own government.

        • Nobody forced to you to join the military, and if our government wasn’t in bed with the military industrial complex, policing the world, getting involved in things that aren’t any of our business, and stopped sacrificing American lives for pointless wars – you would have all your limbs and organs.

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